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Season 2 - Confronting: Columbine

The events of April 20th, 1999 shaped our nation and altered the American narrative. One of America’s deadliest school shootings took place in a small town in Colorado, leaving thirteen dead and another twenty-one severely injured. And it was all broadcast over national tv for the nation to see. 

The second season of Confronting takes on one of the most prolific tragedies in American history: the Columbine High School massacre. It was a devastating example of how easily a place of learning, familiarity and peace can descend into a war zone of chaos in a moment, the teenagers present that day are now adults who bear the mental and physical scars of the carnage they lived through. Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow, confronts many of the realities, questions and myths that surround the massacre to this day. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices, brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with confronting the worst day of her life.


Season 1 - Confronting: O.J. Simpson

25 years after the crimes that ignited the "Trial of the Century" Kim Goldman, sister of murder victim Ron Goldman, is digging deep into the vicious crime that changed her life, and many others, forever. Thrust into the public eye at the age of 22, Kim was devastated when OJ Simpson was found not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife Nicole and her brother Ron. There has been much debate and confusion about what really happened the night of those brutal murders and for the first time Kim gets answers to questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, and witnesses who never got to speak and jurors who voted not guilty. In this 10-part series, Kim takes you on a journey as she reclaims and reflects on the part of her life that was changed permanently.

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June 12th marks twenty-five years since the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. O.J. Simpson's arrest for the murders catapulted the United States into the "Trial of the Century". Now, Kim Goldman, sister of Ron Goldman, is going back to the vicious crime that changed her life forever. Finally, Kim gets answers to the questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, witnesses who never got to speak, and jurors who voted not guilty. Confronting: O.J. Simpson premieres June 12th.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Kim and her father, Fred confront the day they found out that Ron was killed twenty-five years ago. Life has moved forward, but there is still grief and pain. In this episode, Kim starts her journey by remembering the life of her brother. Through conversations with friends and loved ones, we remember the brother, son, friend and murder victim who was lost on June 12th, 1994. Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Objectively Bonkers | 2

Objectively Bonkers | 2

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In episode two, Kim reexamines the crime with the case’s lead investigator, Tom Lange, and lead prosecutor, Marcia Clark. Kim confronts the long list of evidence that never went to trial, wrestles with the decisions made by the prosecution, and learns about facts of the case that were never scrutinized 25 years ago. Some truths take on new light for Kim while others remain “objectively bonkers”.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Brentwood | 3

Brentwood | 3

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Witness testimony was a pivotal element of this trial. Some witnesses went from bystanders to household names. Fame was garnered and careers were launched during the Trial of the Century. 25 years later, Kim sits down with two of Nicole Brown Simpson’s neighbors from Brentwood, the Los Angeles neighborhood where the murders occurred. Kato Kaelin and Jill Shively witnessed events that occurred the night of Ron’s death. Kato went on to reality TV infamy, while Jill made a quick buck and has lived with the fallout of that decision ever since.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Ready or Not | 4

Ready or Not | 4

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In Episode 4, Kim goes back to the courthouse where her brother’s trial took place for the first time in 20 years. Kim sits down with former Assistant District Attorney Bill Hodgman and prosecutor Chris Darden, who both fought and failed to find justice for Kim’s brother. Kim presses to understand what went wrong with the prosecution’s case and learns that many believed the prosecution never had a chance. They’ll talk about Chris and Bill’s differing opinions on whether the prosecution was ready to go to trial or not. The two men reflect on the outcome and decisions that were made, most notably, Darden’s decision to have O.J. Simpson try on that black glove, which lead to the infamous phrase, “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Camp OJ | 5

Camp OJ | 5

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O.J. Simpson’s murder trial was broadcast in its entirety on television, and millions of Americans watched. The story was controversial, sensational, absurd, and the world became invested in the outcome. In this episode Kim explores the media circus with Dan Abrams and Shoreen Maghame – the “Trial of the Century” launched both of their careers. Hundreds of media outlets covered the trial and all of them converged outside the courthouse in what became known as “Camp O.J.” The non-stop media coverage allowed everyone in the country to connect with the case. Every little detail of the case was scrutinized: the credibility of the LAPD, the reputations of witnesses and attorneys, all the way down to Marcia Clark’s hair. Kim also speaks with Henry Schleiff, who took over Court TV shortly after the trial ended, about how the coverage changed the face television forever. Everyone, including your co-host, Nancy Glass, takes a hard look at the insanity of the non-stop media coverage. Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
"Get Over It" | 6

"Get Over It" | 6

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This episode is different than what we told you would be coming your way. You were supposed to hear from jury members who acquitted O.J. Simpson in the criminal trial. Then something happened. We are going to pull back the curtain a bit and share something that occurred behind the scenes. We felt it was important to air this episode immediately. O.J. Simpson’s lawyer, Malcolm LaVergne, has been vocal in the press, making some shocking and disparaging comments about Kim and her family. Executive Producer, Nancy Glass, spoke with Malcolm to see if he or his client would have a conversation with Kim. This episode includes their call in full, completely unedited.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
We The Jury | 7

We The Jury | 7

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When the Trial of the Century began, twelve jurors and twelve alternates stepped into the Los Angeles County Court House to perform their civic duty. What they couldn’t have expected was that over the next nine months, they would be sequestered from public life and essentially have their entire lives put on pause. After all those months of testimony it took them mere hours to render one of the most controversial Not Guilty verdicts in history. In this episode of Confronting, Kim speaks with two of the jurors, Lionel Cryer and David Aldana. Both Lionel and David recall their experiences as part of the jury, reflect on the verdict they rendered and discuss how they would vote 25 years later.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
The jury in the Trial of the Century was sequestered for almost 9 months, longer than any jury before and since. But what did the jurors do when they weren’t in the jury box. In this bonus episode, jurors David Aldana and Lionel Cryer describe some of the ways the jurors were kept entertained when they weren't in the courtroom. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
The Goldmans didn’t get justice during the criminal trial, but the family had a second chance by filing a civil case against Simpson for the wrongful death of Ron. This time, it wouldn’t be “the People vs. Orenthal James Simpson”, it would be the Goldman’s name on the lawsuit. Kim speaks with Dan Petrocelli, the Goldman’s attorney for the lesser-known civil trial. Dan reflects on everything from his strategy in the courtroom, to the pressure he felt to win the case. Kim also speaks with Pablo Fenjves, a witness during the criminal trial who was later hired to ghostwrite Simpson’s book, If I Did It –  a hypothetical account of the night of the murders. Pablo and Kim discuss how this book came to be and Pablo expresses what he learned as he wrote what was essentially a pseudo admission of guilt with Simpson.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Living in Violence | 9

Living in Violence | 9

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Enough is enough. Celebrities have always been held to a different standard of the law. In this story, that fact holds true. Simpson was able to skirt the law, even after his track record of his abuse and battery of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown. On this episode of Confronting, Kim explores the difficult and complex subject of domestic violence. Kim speaks with a close friend of Nicole Brown as well as with the advocate from the City of Los Angeles who handled Nicole’s case over 30 years ago. Finally, Kim speaks with policy expert Esta Soler, the founder of Futures Without Violence, who continues to fight for reforms around domestic violence in our criminal justice system and our culture.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
In the tenth episode of Confronting we focus on grief and reflection. The Goldmans have carried grief with them every day for the last 25 years and in this episode Kim talks to grief expert David Kessler. Kim shares with David how she’s dealt with the loss of her brother and how she has been able to move forward while still holding on to his memory. Together they discuss loss, healing and how grief looks different for all of us. Kim reflects with both Fred and Nancy on her journey and how Confronting has impacted her.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
In this bonus episode, Kim speaks with the defense team's private investigator, Patrick McKenna.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
In this bonus episode, Kim has a conversation about domestic violence with lawyer, author, and clinical therapist Robin Sax.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Bonus: Love and Grief

Bonus: Love and Grief

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This bonus episode is a further conversation between Kim and David Kessler, an expert in grief who contributed to Episode 10.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Confronting: Columbine is hosted by Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with being in the center of the Columbine massacre. Season 2 of Confronting launches on Wondery+ on April 20, 2021 and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on May 4, 2021. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Rebel | 1

Rebel | 1

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Amy Over shares her experience as a high school senior, enjoying lunch in the cafeteria at Columbine High school on April 20, 1999, when two classmates went on a mission to kill as many students and faculty as they could. The Columbine massacre remains forever etched into the minds of Americans as the ground zero for the day parents stopped assuming that school is a safe place for children. Our host recounts her life as a teenager before the shooting and after. Who did she lose that day and how did it change the direction of her life? And she explains why now is when she has decided to reflect on what happened to her and her community. Amy confronts the questions that have haunted her for two decades. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
Annihilation Game | 2

Annihilation Game | 2

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How does a school lunch with friends outside end with paramedics dodging gunfire in an attempt to pull your paralyzed body out of a war zone? Sean Graves shares his encounter with the Columbine killers on “Judgment Day.” The idea that anyone would try to kill him, let alone two fellow students was such a foreign idea that Sean actually went towards the gunfire, thinking it had to be a senior prank or a game. Sean candidly shares his arduous journey from paralyzed gunshot victim to school safety professional when he and Amy Over meet face-to-face for the first time.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
We Are | 3

We Are | 3

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Amy takes us inside Columbine High School twenty-one years later. She finds the spot where she hid as the shooting started. She reconnects with her principal, Frank DeAngelis. We learn what he had to sacrifice in his personal life in order to be there for “his kids.” Then teacher Tom Tonelli, a current Columbine history teacher and coach, whose tenure began before the massacre, explains why he has no fear of teaching there. Amy confesses a long-held secret about her family. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
My Girls | 4

My Girls | 4

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Amy brings together her old basketball team for this first time since high school. Her teammates recount good times. And they talk about the hero who saved so many of them on April 20, Dave Sanders.  Then we meet Coach Sanders’ daughters, Coni Sanders. Her sense of humor belies a deep hurt over the loss of her father. Coni recalls the frantic day they searched for information about her father’s whereabouts at hospitals and through law enforcement, only to finally learn the truth from a newspaper reporter seeking a comment. And Coni tells Amy what “dad” was really like when he wasn’t being a coach.  Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
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Comments (196)

Danielle Beeaff

I found the FBI interview extremely fascinating and right on the nose. Something I have always thought of is, we are lacking teaching how to care about other people instead of just ourselves. My opinion from what I observed, selfishness is what is celebrated and rewardedin this country.

Jun 15th
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Mary Palmer Baez

My heart breaks for everyone who is still suffering from the tragedy. 🤗😪💔.

Jun 8th
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Suzanne Jane

That journalist is so annoying. Puts me off reading his book.

May 25th
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ID20534734

Well done

May 24th
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podcastusername

Malcolm LaVergne is a childish douche bag.

May 21st
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Mila Schneider

I cried but also laughed with the sad tragedy and the good times of the women in their teen years I feel the emotions how they felt and still feeling

May 21st
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James Bradford

The whole world knows that mf is guilty - it was the first national display of how money can buy the justice system. 25 years later and nothing has changed. Yet here we are acting shocked once again.

May 14th
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Aaron Glidden

sending love to anyone who is having a rough time , you are loved

May 12th
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Dana Pellegrino

What Amy's family did makes me mad. She just went through a traumatic experience that could have ended her life and her family thinks she should have just gotten over it??? I think it would be monumental to her health and healing to tell her family how that hurt her. Putting others first like that isn't healthy, even more so when it makes us minimize our own experience and pain.

May 11th
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Saylor

Disgusting, insecure, immature, hateful...Not giving the douchebag another thought!

Apr 1st
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Bruce Warren

Get over what? you think that we care about O.J. really, We know he did it but it's the first time that a black man got away with something in this country. This does not make up for all the injustices that have been impose on Blacks.

May 29th
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Andy Rose

Kim Goldman is a hero!

May 5th
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Tania B

my brother was also murdered and the murderers were never caught. That said I would not be able to sit across the table with them, let alone have a "conversation" I just want to say good one you for having the strength to do that!

Feb 22nd
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Dawn Dobson

So heartbreaking - you can feel the love and pain all the way through this. Thank you for doing this, so often the victims are lost. He really does sound like an amazing guy.

Feb 13th
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Six String Disco

I found this episode the most upsetting and yet the most uplifting of them all. It was heartbreaking and inspiring in equal measures. ❤ to everyone that made this possible for us to hear

Jan 25th
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Dawn Kesse

Malcom is such a hippocratic and coward! doesn't surprise me that he's representing the murderer...they can both rot...karma's a bitch...so frustrating

Jan 22nd
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Eidde Santos

Thanks for letting us be apart of Ron and your family's story. I love hearing the love you have for you brother in ur voice. I have a brother as well and we're really close so I know the piece of ur heart you'll always have for Ron. It was a pleasure listening to you through ur journey thank you very much. Xoxo.

Jan 18th
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Diana Duggan

Has an excellent broadcasting voice. My heart goes out to her and her dad.

Dec 8th
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Diana Duggan

One of the best podcasts I’ve ever listened to. Kim

Dec 8th
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Julie McLaughlin

really wish he had just killed himself. fucker.

Nov 20th
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