Zach sits down with Christa and Wes Hardin, founders of the Enneagram and Marriage platform https://www.enneagramandmarriage.com/. Christa, a seasoned relationship coach with a Master's in Clinical Psychology, has spent nearly two decades helping couples build stronger connections. Alongside her husband Wes, a physician assistant in family practice, they explore how the Enneagram has transformed their 24-year marriage and parenting journey.
The conversation dives into the dynamics of Christa as a Type 7 (The Enthusiast) and Wes as a Type 1 (The Reformer), exploring how their differences create both challenges and opportunities for growth. They discuss how personality-driven conflicts, like bedtime routines and parenting approaches, can either drive couples apart or deepen connection when handled with understanding and flexibility.
Zach, Christa, and Wes also reflect on the evolution of marriage, the value of "practicing" in relationships, and what they'd tell their younger selves about love, commitment, and personal growth. Whether you're an Enneagram enthusiast or just curious about how personality influences relationships, this episode offers practical wisdom, laughter, and honest insights.
Key Takeaways
Enneagram as a Relationship Tool
Christa explains how the Enneagram helps couples quickly identify strengths, shadows, and growth areas.
Opposites Attract—and Complement
As a structured, detail-oriented Type 1, Wes values routine and precision. Christa, as a free-spirited Type 7, thrives on spontaneity and joy.
They share how understanding their core motivations has helped them balance health, fun, and family life.
The Reality of “Practicing” Marriage
Both emphasize that marriage is ongoing practice—not perfection.
They discuss how "expansiveness practices" help them navigate everyday challenges, like differing bedtime preferences, while honoring each other’s needs.
What They’d Tell Their Younger Selves
Christa: "Don’t put your partner on a pedestal. Love them for who they are, not who you expect them to be."
Wes: "Focus on what brings you joy together, and you'll naturally avoid much of the pain couples face."
Parenting with Personality Awareness
They share how understanding their children’s Enneagram types (a 4, 9, and 7/6) has transformed their parenting approach.
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Two key takeaways: "Would you rather be right, or connected?" "Would you rather go to bed feeling connected, or sad?" This episode is filled with great stuff like this.
Holding? really?
Zach is such a niceguy/gentleman n Laura is such a bully / insensitive chiq ( in fun Way) love you guys.
I dont think college is a good example. college should not be about spewing out what you hear on a test. even though that's what it is now a days. it should be able expressing points of view and questioning everything you hear. if college is only about the test then our college system has failed.
This is so relevant for my life right now. I feel like we are never on the same page. one is either dreaming and the other is discussing or one of discussing the other dreaming. wow. this hit home.
omg I almost forgot about that part of The Never Ending Story
omg funny... I'm like both of you guys perspectives with this zombie apocalypse haha.
blessed by your course.... was needing something like this since my husband won't fully commit to anything to help us and he also doesn't want to really spend any money to do things better in it... thank you for the 3 options of promo codes because I would love to give a little something even but my husband would be like... now what's that and to talk to him about us doing this and getting an answer back is impossible... I feel BLESSED!!!!
epidode 74 has the new intro but the podcast that plays is a repeat of episode 73. castbox or MTR? hubs ans I love listening to you two.
Love these!!!
You guys make me feel better. Period. Thank you
I have 4 children, I honestly am offended at the idea is suggested that they're "demons" we're hitting the age of selfish parents. that is why they think children are horrible. parenting is a balance and showing my children that my husband matters most to me is in MY control. kids dont control the relationship... didn't agree with this point of view from licensed counselors.