Moms and Mysteries: A True Crime Podcast

This week we are discussing Anthony Gignac, a con artist who spent years posing as various Saudi princes in order to swindle millions of dollars from businesses and people.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   From Last Thing Before We Go, Listen to Pretend Podcast on Frank Abagnale here. New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Thanks to our sponsors! Vessis are our go-to shoes by my door. Check them out at vessi.com/MOMS for a pair of your Vessi shoes. Looking for your next bingeworthy podcast? Check-out Big Mad True Crime! New episodes of are dropped every Monday! Listen to Big Mad True Crime anywhere you listen to podcasts.  Get better sleep now with Blissy and use MYSTERIES to get an additional 30% off at blissy.com/MYSTERIES. Head over to sleep.me/MOMS to learn more and save 25% off the purchase of any new Dock Pro, OOLER or Cube Sleep System. This offer is available exclusively for Moms and Mysteries listeners -- and only for a limited time!  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/  https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/south-florida-resident-sentenced-more-eighteen-years-prison-impersonating-member-saudi https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/south-florida-resident-pleads-guilty-impersonating-member-saudi-royal-family https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/how-fake-saudi-prince-anthony-gignac-conned-investors-out-of-millions.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-11-05-me-968-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-10-24-me-328-story.html  https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/10/how-the-fake-saudi-prince-anthony-gignac-was-exposed https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/10/he-actually-believes-he-is-khalid-the-odyssey-of-a-counterfeit-saudi-prince  https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15556618600633522421&q=anthony+gignac&hl=en&as_sdt=2006 https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca6/07-1520/08a0706n-06-2011-02-25.pdf https://ecf.flsd.uscourts.gov/doc1/051118622550  https://ecf.mied.uscourts.gov/doc1/0971744542 https://www.forbes.com/sites/elisabethbrier/2019/09/06/befriending-the-notorious-fake-sultan/?sh=301593a69a0c https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/fake-saudi-prince-anthony-gignac.html https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/article231005888.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/30/he-convinced-people-he-was-a-rich-saudi-prince-he-was-really-a-poor-street-kid-from-bogota/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200807214648mp_/https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/oct/12/prince-of-thieves-good-life-ends-for/ https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2002-06-05-0206050128-story.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjbnd8/the-insane-saga-of-the-fake-saudi-prince-who-scammed-miamis-rich-and-famous https://www.gov.je/news/2022/pages/AttorneyGeneralSecuresRepatriationOf$529,000ToTheUS-.aspx  https://archives.starbulletin.com/1997/06/13/business/story2.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2002-12-05-0212050081-story.html  https://web.archive.org/web/20180115212951/https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article194382094.html  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the murder of CJ Sayers, a beloved son, brother, and father.  Special thanks this week to the Sayers Family, who were so kind and helpful in putting together this episode on CJ. Thanks as well to Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research who was instrumental in creating this episode.    Thank you to this week’s sponsors! Are you still cooking with pans made out of plastic? Head to GreenPan.us and use promo code MOMS and you’ll receive 30% OFF YOUR ENTIRE ORDER plus free shipping on orders over $99.  Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to Rocketmoney.com/moms.  Follow THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING wherever you listen to podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery App. Stop chasing health trends and build sustainable, healthy habits with Noom’s psychology-based approach.Sign up for your trial today at Noom.com/MOMS.  New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://chroniclet.com/news/335925/man-sentenced-to-11-15-years-in-lagrange-township-shooting-death-updated/ https://www.bognerfamilyfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Christopher-Sayers-2/#!/Obituary https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/01/31/lorain-county-sheriffs-office-investigates-overnight-shooting/ https://chroniclet.com/news/290419/elyria-man-shot-killed-in-lagrange-twp-was-doting-father-family-says/ https://chroniclet.com/news/290714/graphic-911-call-documents-shed-more-light-on-lagrange-township-fatal-shooting/ https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/crime/man-indicted-murder-domestic-dispute-lagrange/95-1ddaf5d5-8e40-46cf-8394-8c0f211f6c41 https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-with-funeral-and-memorial-for-cj-sayers?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer Kody Rutledge Lorain County Common Pleas docket https://appgateway.drc.ohio.gov/OffenderSearch/Search/Details/A794679  Interview with the Sayers family Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the tragic murder of Ramón Novarro, one of the first Latin American actors to make it big in Hollywood.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Thank you to our sponsors! Treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off at honeylove.com with the code MOMS20. Trivia Star has thousands of 5-star reviews in the Apple store and is the #1 Trivia game on the App store. Download it today to challenge yourself! Pick up where you left off to uncover new secrets or start your investigation today and download June’s Journey! Available on Android and iOS mobile devices, as well as on PC through Facebook Games. Moms and Mysteries is sponsored by Better Help. Discover your potential with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/MOMS today to get 10% off your first month.   Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://www.out.com/2012/05/23/Ramon-Novarro-hustlers-murder-hollywood#toggle-gdpr https://www.goldenglobes.com/articles/forgotten-hollywood-ramon-novarro-bona-fide-silent-movie-idol https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/142433%7C127360/Ramon-Novarro/#biography https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0657992/bio/?ref_=nm_ql_1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/261363037/?terms=%22Roman%20Novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/519313826/?terms=%22Roman%20Novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/376597937/?terms=%22Paul%20Ferguson%22%20%22Thomas%20Ferguson%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/703103495/?terms=%22Ramon%20Novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/684640343/?terms=%22Ramon%20Novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/842921304/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/386196399/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/690462267/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/703385096/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/684675836/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/680079401/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/37990787/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/563490925/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/385733696/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/385689193/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/79680510/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/684720411/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/840103010/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/747548314/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/580642191/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/294293164/?terms=%22ramon%20novarro%22&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing Andy and Jamie Schliepsiek, who were murdered during a brutal attack on Robins Air Force Base.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Link for episode discussed in Last Thing Before We Go: Big Mad True Crime episode on Oakley Carlson New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Thank you to our sponsors! Prose is the key to achieving all your hair goals this year. Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/moms.   Vessis are my go-to shoes by my door, now you can make them yours. Go to vessi.com/MOMS for a pair of your Vessi shoes. If you want to get your personal information removed from search results on the web, please visit JoinDeleteMe.com/Moms and use our Promo code: MOMS.  Protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. Apply today in just 10 minutes at meetfabric.com/moms.. ● Policies issued by Western-Southern Life Assurance Company. Not available in certain states. Prices subject to underwriting and health questions. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/08/01/this-former-airman-was-spared-the-death-penalty-a-2nd-time-in-2004-double-homicide-case/ https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2016/07/21/death-sentence-upheld-for-robins-airman/ https://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/former-airman-from-la-crosse-off-death-row-after-new/article_7fff4120-a8c0-5e63-965c-d97483d00036.html https://www.stripes.com/news/air-force-court-reinstates-airman-s-death-sentence-for-2004-killing-1.291833 https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/opinions/2015SepTerm/150260.pdf https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article90806282.html https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/133085/airman-sentenced-to-death/ https://courtmartiallaw.com/lawyer/2016/08/08/Court-Martial-Appeals/New-Sentencing-Hearing-for-Airman-on-Military-Death-Row_bl26006.htm First Appeal https://www.courtlistener.com/pdf/2014/06/30/united_states_v._witt.pdf  Remaining sources found at Momsandmysteries.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the horrific quadruple murder that occurred aboard the Joe Cool, a 47 foot charter yacht.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Thank you to our sponsors! Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to RocketMoney.com/moms.  Get better sleep now with Blissy and use MYSTERIES to get an additional 30% off at blissy.com/MYSTERIES  Prose is the key to achieving all your hair goals this year. Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/moms now! Follow COLD wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Prime Members, you can binge the entire series ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/february/joecool_022609 https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/ http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/news/U_S_Coast_Guard_searching_for_Four_Missing_Boaters_headed_for_Bimini_Islands_printer.shtml https://www.newsweek.com/lost-sea-ghost-ship-story-100763 https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2007-09-29-0709280710-story.html http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/26/kirby.archer.complaint.pdf https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/09-12471/200912471-2011-02-28.html https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-flsd-1_07-cr-20839/pdf/USCOURTS-flsd-1_07-cr-20839-11.pdf https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/usedtobedoe/kairy-samuel-9-23-2007-fl-t13113.html https://web.archive.org/web/20081015203543/http://cbs4.com/local/joe.cool.auction.2.839826.html https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29289877 https://www.soundingsonline.com/news/details-emerge-on-fatal-miami-boat-heist https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-02-missing-boaters_N.htm https://www.foxnews.com/story/defendant-reveals-grisly-details-in-joe-cool-boat-murder-case https://www.theledger.com/story/news/2007/10/11/2-charged-with-murder-on-high-seas/25793335007/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mystery/two-charged-in-florida-high-seas-murder-mystery-idUSN1028381920071010 https://www.newspapers.com/image/360688269/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/ghost-boat-2454655 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657387838/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657376009/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/360689318/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657376987/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657403146/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/219576984/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657388539/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657881494/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/250016203/?terms=guillermo%20zarabozo&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/657240080/?terms=kirby%20archer https://www.newspapers.com/image/657104236/?terms=kirby%20archer&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/656899451/?terms=kirby%20archer&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/286160527/?terms=kirby%20archer&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing Nancy DePriest, a young wife and mother who loved life, and the two men who were wrongfully convicted of her murder. Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   New merch! Check out Moms and Mysteries Threadless! You can also get new episodes a day early and ad free, plus merch and more at Patreon.com/momsandmysteriespodcast Thank you to our sponsors! Go to Grove.com/MM today to get a free starter set worth up to fifty dollars with your first order. Plus, shipping is fast and FREE. This episode was sponsored by Better Help. If you want to live a more empowered life, therapy can get you there. Visit BetterHelp.com/MOMS today to get 10% off your first month.  Treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off at honeylove.com with the code MOMS20.  Stay focused on what’s important to you with Noom Weight’s psychology-based approach. Sign up for your trial today at Noom.com/MOMS.  Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources: https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/third-court-of-appeals/1991/4881.html https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110815/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20200617-SD004.pdf  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49619275/nancy-lena-depriest https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128932&page=1 https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/03/09/facing-her-daughter-s-killer-at-last https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jun-21-me-confess21-story.html https://media.law.wisc.edu/m/2fjzd/findley_scott_ssrn_copy-1.pdf https://innocenceproject.org/cases/richard-danziger/#:~:text=Chris%20Ochoa%20pled%20guilty%20to,slaying%20or%20raping%20of%20DePriest. https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=3152 https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7661&context=jclc https://www.newspapers.com/image/363965268/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/363966719/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/363968865/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/364192596/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/364194852/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/363956637/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/363971545/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358716149/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358725609/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358728344/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358756547/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358758954/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/358770900/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2004/sep/15/austin-texas-settles-wrongful-conviction-suit-for-9-million/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/burden/innocents/danziger.html https://www.newspapers.com/image/357254943/?terms=achim%20marino&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/357068133/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/357137854/?terms=nancy%20depriest&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/364209375/?terms=richard%20danziger%20bond&match=1  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the tragic murder of Ashleigh Love, a sweet, kind, and intelligent 19-year-old who is deeply missed by all who knew her.  A huge thank-you to Kyle Olson with Love and Justice Podcast, as well as the Love family, for their help in sharing Ashleigh’s story.  Check-out tickets for our first Moment at www.moment.co/momsandmysteries on February 15, 2023.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Thank you to our sponsors! If you love trivia as much as we do, download Fun Frenzy Trivia for free today, and get ready to flex your brain muscles! Protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. Apply today in just 10 minutes at meetfabric.com/MOMS. Policies issued by Western-Southern Life Assurance Company. Not available in certain states. Prices subject to underwriting and health questions. Pick up where you left off to uncover new secrets or start your investigation today and download June’s Journey! Available on Android and iOS mobile devices, as well as on PC through Facebook Games. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast How to help: Share Ashleigh’s story. Talk about her story, especially if you know someone who lives in Wisconsin and the Midwest. Encourage others to talk about her story. Join the Justice for Ashleigh Love Facebook group.  Watch Letters to Ashleigh.  Listen to and follow the Love & Justice podcast. Please come forward if you know anything. There is a $12,000 reward. The family wants anyone who knows something that you don't have to be afraid to come forward - this is a safe space. Anyone with information can contact Milwaukee Police at (414) 935-7360. If you don’t want to call the police, you can send a tip — named or anonymously — to the podcast website, www.loveandjusticepodcast.com. Kyle said, “Obviously we will be passing along that information to the authorities if something viable comes in. But sometimes people find [the hotline] as an easier way to get to the authorities than going directly to them.”  Sources can be found at: momsandmysteries.com/episodes/the-murder-of-ashleigh-love Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, we are discussing Brittanee Drexel, a strong-minded and independent young woman whose life was taken by a man whom the police had suspected almost immediately after her disappearance, but he wouldn't be charged with her murder for over a decade. Check-out tickets for our first Moment at www.moment.co/momsandmysteries Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Thank you to our sponsors! Go Right Now for 50% off your no-risk two week trial at www.TryNom.com/MOMS. We live and share so much of our lives on our phones. Now you can save what’s special with Keepster. So if you have an iPhone, head to keepster.co/MOMS and put in promo code MOMS for 20% off.  Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to RocketMoney.com/moms. Prose is the healthy hair regimen with your name all over it. Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/moms.  Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Sources can be found at momsandmysteries.com/the-murder-of-Brittanee-Drexel Search Results Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing Burt Pugach and Linda Riss, who married 14 years after Burt was convicted of hiring three men to maim Linda with lye.  Check-out tickets for our first Moment at www.moment.co/momsandmysteries Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Thank you to our sponsors!  Download Trivia Star for free today, and get ready to flex your brain muscles! This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/MOMS and get on your way to being your best self. Pick up where you left off to uncover new secrets or start your investigation today and download June’s Journey!Available on Android and iOS mobile devices, as well as on PC through Facebook Games.  For a limited time, get 20% off with the code MOMS when you go to whatdoyoumeme.com/letsgetdeep   Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! Sources can be found at: To advertise on our podcast, please reach out to sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/MomsandMysteriesATrueCrimePodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the death of Army Pfc. Denisha Montgomery-Smith was a mother of three known for her headstrong and caring nature.  Thank you to Margot with Military Murder for allowing us to collaborate on this episode. Check out the promo for the podcast Crimes and Cases today!  NEW DATE AND TIME: February 15th at 7PM EST! Get tickets for our first Moment at www.moment.co/momsandmysteries  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Thank you to our sponsors! Go to Grove.com/MM today to get a free starter set worth up to $50 with your first order. Plus, shipping is fast and FREE.   Protect your family today with Fabric by Gerber Life. Apply today in just 10 minutes at meetfabric.com/MOMS. Policies issued by Western-Southern Life Assurance Company. Not available in certain states. Prices subject to underwriting and health questions. Get over 40% off your starter pack bundle with code MOMS at lumedeodorant.com. Stay focused on what’s important to you with Noom Weight’s psychology-based approach. Sign up for your trial today at Noom.com/MOMS. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality  Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more! Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! Last Thing Before We Go: Organizations to Support! DNA Doe Project https://dnadoeproject.org/ Bridegan foundation https://www.brideganfoundation.org/ Season of Justice: https://seasonofjustice.org/ PI For the Missing https://investigationsforthemissing.org/ Daniel Robinson https://pleasehelpfinddaniel.com/  Sources: https://epub.stripes.com/docs/MID_MID_071122/MID_MID_071122.pdf https://www.europeafrica.army.mil/ArticleViewPressRelease/Article/3127090/press-release-soldiers-death-under-investigation/ https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/grassley_to_army_cid_-_denisha_montgomery.pdf https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/new-details-revealed-in-pfc-denisha-montgomerys-death/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/family-believes-woman-was-murdered-during-deployment/ https://www.wdrb.com/wdrb-investigates/we-want-the-truth-family-demands-answers-about-kentuckians-death-at-army-post-in-germany/article_6762e8de-4b02-11ed-9c94-83bb0f9284aa.html https://www.wjcl.com/article/fort-stewart-denisha-montgomery-soldier-death/40931880 https://www.wave3.com/2022/08/19/hardin-county-soldier-dies-during-overseas-deployment/ https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2022-12-07/denisha-montgomery-congressional-inquiry-senator-grassley-8336537.html https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/denisha-montgomery-smith-obituary?id=36293793  Military Murder interview with Denisha’s sister Brooke Brooke’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@bbbrookeeeee Link to Tiktok showing Denisha’s call with her family after her attack: https://www.tiktok.com/@bbbrookeeeee/video/7145448898742570283?_r=1&_t=8ZFLYgCC8f0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the murder of Irene Garza, a beloved teacher and pillar in her community and the decades it took to prosecute her killer.  Check-out pre-sale tickets for our first Moment at www.moment.co/momsandmysteries Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.   Thank you to our sponsors! Listen to SUSPECT wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Prime Members, you can binge the entire series ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Find your forever pieces @jennikayne and get 15% off with promo code MOMS at jennikayne.com/MOMS! #jennikaynepartner Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to RocketMoney.com/moms.  Treat yourself to the best shapewear on the market and save 20% Off at honeylove.com with the code MOMS.  Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more!   Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! Sources: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/feit-appeal.pdf https://pa.co.hidalgo.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=3295220 Death Cert https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EMtrvsCOu-s3jvsKWm3MQyvHDTcrDLsa/view?usp=sharing Memorandum https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IUABykxr23t9VZyELBRF56xpwnbtPpwZ/view?usp=sharing Clergy Letter https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FewdmV-7P7eNAkheJ8JlruYfW4nj-5_N/view?usp=sharing  https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/justice/garza-cold-case-timeline/ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1307/25/acd.02.html https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2018/01_02/2018_01_27_Lourdes_News_Inside_Texas.htm https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/evidence-photos-in-the-irene-garza-murder-case/16/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-the-trial-of-former-priest-charged-with-1960-murder-of-texas-schoolteacher/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/church-officials-shielded-priest-suspected-of-murder-for-decades/ https://www.podles.org/case-studies/files/Murder-of-Irene-Garza.pdf https://www.cbsnews.com/news/irene-garza-murder-john-feit-former-priest-dies/  https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/unholy-act/  Clips for Last Thing Before We Go: Tiktok- @bloopersnfails Watch Mojo Tiktok- @ljordan1121 Tiktok-@bloopersnfails Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing Andrew Kissel, a real estate developer who was murdered four days before he was scheduled to plead guilty to bank fraud. Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research. Research assistance by Anna Luria.  Thank you to our sponsors! Listen to SUSPECT wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Prime Members, you can binge the entire series ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Stay focused on what’s important to you with Noom Weight’s psychology-based approach. Sign up for your trial today at Noom.com/MOMS.  We live and share so much of our lives on our phones. Now you can save what’s special with Keepster. So if you have an iPhone, head to Keepster.co/moms and put in promo code moms for 20% off.  This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at www.betterhelp.com/MOMS  and get on your way to being your best self.” Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      Check-out Moms and Mysteries to find links to our tiktok, youtube, twitter, instagram and more!   Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us!   Sources: https://casetext.com/case/kissel-v-kissel-no-fst-fa-05-4003907-s-nov?utm_source=eulerity&utm_medium=ads&utm_content=15910326615_131004375823_4967222832267264&q=andrew%20kissel&p=1&tab=keyword&jxs=&sort=relevance&type=case https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/realestate/30cov.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-the-murder-of-andrew-kissel/ https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15061888 https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Unraveling-the-murder-mystery-of-Andrew-Kissel-1334824.php#photo-929583 https://nymag.com/news/features/16861/ http://www.ctinmateinfo.state.ct.us/detailsupv.asp?id_inmt_num=358104 https://writeaprisoner.com/inmates/leonard-trujillo-358104/penpal https://www.ctinsider.com/local/article/Defense-reveals-strategy-859421.php https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Kissel-driver-I-should-ve-kept-quiet-743919.php  https://web.archive.org/web/20090905065331/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181631-1,00.html https://web.archive.org/web/20101209044938/http://www.greenwichtime.com:80/local/article/Kissel-trial-Medical-examiner-testifies-about-866233.php#  https://web.archive.org/web/20101207190624/http://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/KISSEL-TRIAL-State-reveals-evidence-critical-to-863894.php https://www.ctinsider.com/local/article/Defense-reveals-strategy-859421.php https://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/Kissel-trial-Acquittal-on-murder-charge-903973.php#photo-478537 https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Kissel-driver-pleads-guilty-to-attempted-murder-1307370.php https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/nyregion/25kissel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/27/nyregion/27kissel.html  https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/nyregion/details-emerge-in-connecticut-murder-case.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/nyregion/developer-set-to-plead-guilty-is-slain-at-home.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/nyregion/20kissel.html https://www.newspapers.com/image/546774307/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/247599269/?terms=andrew%20kissel&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/533563543/?terms=andrew%20kissel&match=1 https://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/Mass-man-s-20-year-jail-sentence-closes-Kissel-1339368.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the murder of Robert Kissel, a loving father of three, at the hands of his wife Nancy Kissel. Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research. Research assistance by Anna Luria.  Thank you to our sponsors! Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to www.rocketmoney.com/moms. Visit www.LifeMD.com/MOMS now or download their app and see why LifeMD is America’s Trusted Telehealth Leader.  Treat your dog like a member of the family, and go right now to claim 50% off your no-risk two-week trial at www.TryNom.com/MOMS for 50% off.  Prose is the healthy hair regimen with your name all over it. Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to www.Prose.com/moms.  Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Tiktok and on our website at momsandmysteries.com.    Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us!   Sources: https://legalref.judiciary.hk/lrs/common/ju/ju_body.jsp?AH=&QS=&FN=&currpage=T&DIS=69728 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8509768.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8453553.stm https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15061888 https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/world/asia/an-affair-a-milkshake-and-a-guilty-verdict.html https://nymag.com/news/features/16861/ https://www.hklii.hk/cgi-bin/sinodisp/eng/hk/cases/hkca/2008/387.html?stem=&synonyms=&query=title(HKSAR%20AND%20v%20AND%20Nancy%20AND%20Ann%20AND%20Kissel)%20OR%20ncotherjcitationtitles(HKSAR%20AND%20v%20AND%20Nancy%20AND%20Ann%20AND%20Kissel) https://www.mlive.com/news/us-world/2010/02/hong_kong_court_overturns_mich.html  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nancy-kissel-found-guilty-in-milkshake-murder-case/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-the-murder-of-andrew-kissel/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

***We are off this week (back on January 3, 2023), so we wanted to play an episode you either haven't heard or maybe just don't remember. This week we are discussing the greatest art heist in history and the mystery that still surrounds it. Stick around for Last Thing Before We Go, it’s a fun one! Thank you to Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research for your help in the episode!    Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/criminality/id1551366002.  If you’d like to support The Mom’s and get some fun perks, including bonus episodes and early release- ad free episodes, you can check out our Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/momsandmurderpodcast. As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and on our website at https://momsandmurder.com. Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! We updated our merch store, you can find that at momsandmurder.threadless.com!  Connect with us on social media at:Facebook.com/MomsAndRedRumInstagram: @MomsAndMurderTwitter.com/MomsAndMurder Sources can be found at: https://momsandmurder.com/the-isabella-ste…ner-museum-heist/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

***We are off this week and next (back on January 3, 2023), so we wanted to play two episodes you either haven't heard, or maybe don't remember. This week we are discussing the murder of a man in Texas, and although there is only one murder victim, there are numerous victims in the story that all suffered in some way at the hands of a conniving woman named Celeste Beard.  Thank you to Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research for your help in the episode!  Stick around for the end of the episode to hear a promo for the new show Zodiac Speaking! Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/criminality/id1551366002.  If you’d like to support The Mom’s and get some fun perks, including bonus episodes and early release- ad free episodes, you can check out our Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/momsandmurderpodcast. As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and on our website at https://momsandmurder.com. Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! We updated our merch store, you can find that at momsandmurder.threadless.com!  Connect with us on social media at:Facebook.com/MomsAndRedRumInstagram: @MomsAndMurderTwitter.com/MomsAndMurder Sources: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-court-of-appeals/1175149.html https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=131984&page=1 https://offender.tdcj.texas.gov/OffenderSearch/offenderDetail.action?sid=05144897 https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1752939/ex-parte-beard/?q=celeste%20beard%20johnson&type=o&order_by=score%20desc&stat_Precedential=on https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/true-crime-buzz/first-episode-of-snapped-where-is-celeste-beard-johnson-now https://people.com/archive/marriage-money-and-murder-vol-60-no-6/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130604102059/http:/www.kens5.com/news/SA-residents-try-and-help-convicted-murderer-bounce-back-into-society-133777138.html https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2020/26/203841314_a3e28242-f840-4851-9c31-69c71413c45d.jpeg https://web.archive.org/web/20080719161315/http://www.courttv.com/trials/taped/beard/witnesses_state.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080705161747/http://www.courttv.com/trials/taped/beard/witnesses_defense.html https://www.statesman.com/news/20190205/man-awaits-punishment-after-pleading-guilty-to-halloween-party-shooting https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/hidden-city/articles/hidden-city-crime-files-austin Celeste: The Celeste Beard Johnson Story by Celeste, Nancy Hall and W.R. Mesiano https://www.newspapers.com/image/357089786/?terms=celeste%20beard%20johnson&match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/357302406/?terms=celeste%20beard%20johnson&match=1, https://www.newspapers.com/image/357302428  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing how Sally McNeil shot and killed her husband of eight years, Ray McNeil, on Valentine’s Day 1995. Sally claimed to have killed Ray in self-defense, citing years of abuse at the hands of Ray. But the prosecution painted a different picture, one where Sally killed Ray in a fit of jealous rage.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research. Research assistance by Anna Luria.  Make sure to check-out the promo for Santa Maybe, A Criminal. Thank you to this week's sponsors! Listeners can save on the perfect gift this holiday season and get up to $30 off Aura’s best-selling frames. Just go to www.auraframes.com/MOMS. Terms and conditions apply. Cancel unnecessary subscriptions with Rocket Money today. Go to www.RocketMoney.com/moms. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at www.betterhelp.com/moms for 10% off your first month, and get on your way to being your best self. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and on our website at https://momsandmurder.com. Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! We updated our merch store, you can find that at momsandmurder.threadless.com!    Connect with us on social media at:Facebook.com/MomsAndRedRum Instagram: @MomsAndMurder Twitter.com/MomsAndMurder   Sources can be found at https://momsandmurder.com/the-murder-of-raymond-mcneil/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are going back into the vault and replaying an episode from March of 2020 while we work on this super-size episode for next week. This week we are re-telling the story of a well-known attorney in Nevada and how he was murdered at the hands of a lifelong con artist. Plus there's an update on the story at the end of the episode.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.  Thank you to this week's sponsors! We live and share so much of our lives on our phones. Now you can save what’s special with Keepster. So if you have an iPhone, head to www.keepster.co/MOMS and put in promo code MOMS for 25% off. Follow Scamfluencers wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app.  Go to www.CanvasPrints.com and use code MOMS25 to get 25% off of your entire order of canvas prints, canvas wall displays, metal prints, photo tiles, photo blankets and pillows, and much more!  This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. BetterHelp has matched 3 million people with professionally licensed and vetted therapists available 100% online. Go to www.betterhelp.com/moms for 10% off your first month.   Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and on our website at https://momsandmurder.com. Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! We updated our merch store, you can find that at momsandmurder.threadless.com!    Connect with us on social media at:Facebook.com/MomsAndRedRum Instagram: @MomsAndMurder Twitter.com/MomsAndMurder   Sources can be found at https://momsandmurder.com/the-murder-of-la…-mcnabney-update/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we are discussing the death of Bianca Rudolph, who was shot and killed while she and her husband, Larry Rudolph, were on a safari hunt in Africa.  Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research.  Thank you to this week's sponsors! Right now, Kitsch is offering discounts site-wide, anywhere from 25% all the way to 60% - all month in November, when you go to www.mykitsch.com/murder.  This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. BetterHelp has matched 3 million people with professionally licensed and vetted therapists available 100% online. Go to www.betterhelp.com/moms for 10% off your first month.   This holiday season, trade late nights for silent nights and get started with www.stamps.com today. Sign up with promo code MOMSANDMURDER for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, plus free postage, and a free digital scale. Listen and subscribe to Melissa’s other podcast, Criminality!! It’s the podcast for those who love reality TV, true crime, and want to hear all the juicy stories where the two genres intersect. Subscribe and listen here: www.pod.link/criminality      As always, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and on our website at https://momsandmurder.com. Make sure you subscribe and rate our show to help others find us! We updated our merch store, you can find that at momsandmurder.threadless.com!    Connect with us on social media at:Facebook.com/MomsAndRedRum Instagram: @MomsAndMurder Twitter.com/MomsAndMurder   Sources can be found at https://momsandmurder.com/the-murder-of-bianca-rudolph/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When a shocking crime occurs, former FBI Profiler Candice DeLong will have a lot to say about it. On KILLER PSYCHE DAILY, Candice digs into the motivations and behaviors of the criminal masterminds and killers who are dominating the headlines. For 10 minutes, five days a week, she draws on her years of experience to break down complex criminal cases, look back at the historic crimes that still haunt us today, and share new insights. With new episodes every Monday through Friday, KILLER PSYCHE DAILY delivers a lot of true crime in just a little bit of time. Listen only on Amazon Music: www.amazon.com/KPD_us_pfd_AA_110122 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Re-Play Episode: We need your help in an on-going murder investigation out of Jacksonville, Florida. Jared Bridegan was a devoted and loving husband and father, but on the night of February 16, 2022, he was shot in front of his (then) 2 year-old daughter with no other witnesses around. No suspects have been officially named, but this case is solvable, and we hope to bring awareness to it in the hopes that someone, who knows something, will come forward and it will bring justice to this incredible family. Research by Haley Gray with Haley Gray Research. Without Haley this episode would not be possible, and we could not ever thank her enough for her tireless research and the energy she has put into this. Thank you also to Kirsten Bridegan, Jared’s incredible wife. We are so honored to share yours and Jared’s story, and can’t wait to see justice for your family. ***HERE’S HOW YOU CAN HELP*** Follow the Justice for Jared B’s pages: Instagram: Justice for Jared B's Instagram Page Facebook: Justice for Jared B's Facebook Page TikTok: Justice for Jared B's TikTok  Investigators are looking for a 2004 to 2008 dark blue Ford F-150 with brown/tan trim, running boards, and a silver toolbox that was in the area around the time Jared was shot. (Link to Justice for Jared B’s instagram page with photo of truck: Photo of Truck Seen On Night of Murder There is a $55,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and prosecution in the killing. Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 1-866-845-TIPS (1-866-845-8477). To submit a tip to ATF, call 1-888-ATF-TIPS (1-888-283-8477).  For more information on “Bexley’s Boxes” and how to be involved click here: Bexley's Boxes Instagram.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices