DiscoverNice White Parents
Nice White Parents
Claim Ownership

Nice White Parents

Author: Serial & The New York Times

Subscribed: 24,723Played: 139,488


If you want to understand what’s wrong with our public schools, you have to look at what is arguably the most powerful force in shaping them: white parents. A five-part series from Serial Productions, a New York Times Company. Hosted by Chana Joffe-Walt.

6 Episodes
If you want to understand what’s wrong with our public schools, you have to look at what is arguably the most powerful force in shaping them: White parents. A five-part series from Serial Productions, a New York Times Company. Hosted by Chana Joffe-Walt.For more information about this show, visit
1: The Book of Statuses

1: The Book of Statuses


It’s 2015 and one Brooklyn middle school is about to receive a huge influx of new students.In this episode, Chana Joffe-Walt, a reporter, follows what happens when the School of International Studies’ 6th grade class swells from 30 mostly Latino, Black and Middle Eastern students, to 103 — an influx almost entirely driven by white families.Everyone wants “what’s best for the school” but it becomes clear that they don’t share the same vision of what “best” means.For more information about this show, visit
Chana Joffe-Walt searches the New York City Board of Education archives for more information about the School for International Studies, which was originally called I.S. 293.In the process, she finds a folder of letters written in 1963 by mostly white families in Cobble Hill, Brooklyn. They are asking for the board to change the proposed construction of the school to a site where it would be more likely to be racially integrated.It’s less than a decade after Brown v. Board of Education, amid a growing civil rights movement, and the white parents writing letters are emphatic that they want an integrated school. They get their way and the school site changes — but after that, nothing else goes as planned.For more information about this show, visit
Chana Joffe-Walt explores how white parents can shape a school — even when they aren’t there.She traces the history of I.S. 293, now the Boerum Hill School for International Studies, from the 1980s through the modern education reforms of the 2000s. In the process, Chana talks to alumni who loved their school and never questioned why it was on the edge of a white neighborhood. To them, it was just where everyone went. But she also speaks to some who watched the school change over the years and questioned whether a local community school board was secretly plotting against 293.
Public schools are inequitable because the school systems are maniacally loyal to white families. We can’t have equitable public education unless schools limit the disproportionate power of white parents. But is that even possible? Chana finds two schools that are trying to do just that, and both are actually inside the 293 building. One is downstairs in the basement, where a charter school called Success Academy opened about 7 years ago. The other is upstairs at BHS, the newly renamed SIS.
This episode contains strong language.Chana has traced the history of the school from its founding and come to the present. But now: One unexpected last chapter. Last year, the school district for BHS mandated a change in the zoning process to ensure all of middle schools will be racially integrated. No longer can white families hoard resources in a few select schools. Black and Latino parents have been demanding this change since the late 1950s. The courts have mandated it. Chana asks: How did this happen? And is this a blueprint for real, systemic change?
Comments (126)

Visen B

wow at the amount of comments they had to delete for this trash identity politics podcast.

Sep 20th

Daniel Farrugia

A thoughtful exploration of the forces shaping education in a school district, exploring the unintentional power that white privilege wields. Dealing with integration and equity, and what these mean to different people, the series ends on a note of hope for what appears to be a dire situation that perpetuates segregation. Well worth your time.

Sep 15th

Alex Mercedes

good job! great series. uncommon equanimity throughout. modelling White self-reflection without lapsing into either excessive guilt or excessive defensiveness. Wish I could get more of my progressive white friends to listen to this. it's a pod with a lot of potential benefit even for white people who don't have school age children.

Sep 10th

Data Solutions Experts

This podcast has people who are really funny talking about some really good restaurants. Definitely worth a listen.

Sep 6th

Joel Hamburg

if you only listened to just the first right didn't get the whole story. very interesting and thought provoking.

Sep 6th

Josh Er

wow, this sounds interesting.

Sep 2nd

Keith Sterback

This is so racist

Sep 2nd

Anna Clay

This is an excellent podcast. Thoughtful and thorough, including a variety of voices so as not to put words in anyone's mouth, it examines the ways in which white families wield influence without even realizing it, and the unintended harm we cause.

Aug 31st


Sucks just like everyone who “liked” it

Aug 29th


I'm literally screaming at my desk. the phone call in at the end, THIS IS SOME CRAZY HYPOCRITICAL SHIT

Aug 28th


this is the most important podcast for white people to listen to since podcasting started

Aug 28th
Reply (3)

ian neumann

fucking garbage

Aug 27th
Reply (1)

Andrew Stimpson Gee

I really question the white mom's motivation. If she cared so much why did she keep her kid in the mostly white middle school?

Aug 26th



Aug 25th


Typical garbage from the communists down at the NY times.

Aug 25th

Lillian Priante

excellent podcast and very interesting from the perspective of parents of color vs white parents. definitely take a listen .

Aug 19th

Amy-Lynn Mooney

are you kidding me? This agenda gets more ridiculous everyday. First vilify police now all white people...cause it just makes sense all cops are bad so all white people must be racist and bad. Have you guys turned the tables and thought maybe this is racist? No, of course not because all black people are victims and good. Wake up America!

Aug 18th

Asha SG

whoa, what a fantastic podcast! i don't have kids but i am a product of the public school system (in Minneapolis). My high school was predominantly white when i started. it's predominantly black and brown now (15yrs later) with predictably less resources and lower achievement. White flight=less resources for sure. i think when people hear "white parents," they think they are being accused of being "racist parents." but that's not what i hear at all. all parents want the best for their kids...i don't think white parents intentionally seek to divert resources at the expense of other kids (black or otherwise). they just want better things for their kids like any other parent. The problem, which is what this podcast is about, is how school systems respond to white parent requests v. brown and black requests.

Aug 17th

Rose Shipman

I heard the first episode through radio lab. This show is fantastic in highlighting the ignorance of white privilege and the way it can hurt our communities. I especially appreciated the way you pointed out socioeconomic privilege and ignorance, being the child of teachers who worked at a wealthy high-school, it was sometimes enraging the way kids and parents justified their wealth or limited access to events by way of ignorance to others economic reality.

Aug 16th

Joe am

If all these QAnon snowflakes would stop being triggered by the word "white" for five seconds, they might realize that this podcast is actually a critique of liberal policy....

Aug 14th
Download from Google Play
Download from App Store