In this episode, Des interviews Kara on her new book The Longest Race: Inside the Secret World of Abuse, Doping, and Deception on Nike's Elite Running Team.  You will have to listen and read to learn more, but Des and Kara talk about several elements of Kara's story including never-before-revealed details about her time with the Nike Oregon Project. 

In this episode, Des and Kara give their reactions on the indoor track season including the NB Indoor Grand Prix, Millrose Games, and the US Championships in Albuquerque. They talk about the implications of recent mind-blowing times on the future of the sport, thanks in large part to super-shoe technology coming to the track. Is it good for the sport and will there be a return to an emphasis on pure racing in the near future? Then, they go back in time to talk about the history of super shoes on the roads and their personal experiences during that transition in 2016-2018, including discussions of how marathon-racing is permanently changed. In particular, Des talks about how her training and racing have changed (or not) since wearing the shoes herself and gives tips on how you might use them as well. 

What do Celestial Seasonings, fried eggs, and a bird with a backpack all have in common? Find out in this episode where you get to learn about how two introverts - Des and Kara - navigate the world of running celebrity, social media, broadcasting and now podcasting. And if you're an extrovert, they give some tips on how to keep your introverted friends happy and energized. Plus, learn more about the "why" behind each of their upcoming books.  

In this episode, Des and Kara welcome their first guest - Lauren Fleshman. Lauren is a 4x individual NCAA champion and 2x US national champion. She placed 7th at the World Championships in the 5000m and is now a NY Times best-selling author. Her book - Good for a Girl: A Woman Running in a Man's World - is defining and redefining how we think about elevating women in sport. Des, Kara, and Lauren first give you a behind-the-scenes look into the book-writing process as Des and Kara also have books coming out soon. Then, they dive into Lauren's book itself and hit several major topics such as the collegiate diet/food culture, oddly-revealing running uniforms for women, what it's like to be an Olympic alternate (something all 3 women have in common), and much more. 3 giants in the sport of running. You get to be a fly on the wall and listen in.

In this episode, Des and Kara take you behind the scenes in the broadcast booth including how they both got into it and the good, the bad, and the really-freaking-hard about making it behind the mic.

Des and Kara share their hot (or perhaps medium?) takes on current events in the world of marathoning. Hear their opinions on the location of the Olympic Marathon Trials, the US Marathon Champs at CIM, Eliud Kipchoge doing Boston and so much more. Plus, find out if Des plans to run the 2024 Trials to try to make it to Paris. Stick around for the "tips" on goal setting and resolutions at the end.

Once competitors and fellow Olympic teammates, now friends and podcast partners, Kara and Des get to know each other in this first episode. We promise you will learn something new about them both!