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Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord discuss and dissect the cases against former President Donald Trump, including the historic indictments from the Manhattan D.A., Special Counsel Jack Smith and Fulton County D.A. Fani Willis.
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The DC Superseder

The DC Superseder

2024-08-2824:501

Sooner than expected, it’s our 100th episode! In the latest event triggered by SCOTUS’ ruling on presidential immunity, special counsel Jack Smith has filed a superseding indictment in the election interference case against former President Donald Trump. So in an extra episode for you this week, former prosecutors Mary McCord and Andrew Weissmann weigh in on what’s been added and struck from the prosecution’s allegations, Jack Smith’s strategy, and what this means for the case moving forward.  Read the new superseding indictment and accompanying filing, along with last year’s original indictment.  Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.And be sure to grab your tickets for MSNBC Live Democracy 2024 on Sept 7th! Join fellow fans and viewers for an event connecting you with MSNBC's most trusted hosts and experts. Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki, Andrew Weissmann and many more. All in one place. All live on stage. All in one day.
In an attempt to revive the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case thrown out by Judge Aileen Cannon last month, Special Counsel Jack Smith has now filed a brief with the U.S. Court of Appeals, a day early no less. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord discuss Jack Smith’s arguments in the brief asserting that Judge Cannon had wrongfully ruled the special counsel had been appointed illegally. Then, looking ahead at proposals in the January 6 case expected to be filed later this week. And we take some of your listener questions!  Following this recording, it was reported that Jack Smith revised his indictment in the January 6th case to address the Supreme Court's ruling on immunity. A procedural filing is still expected this coming Friday, August 30th.
Was J6 a Precursor?

Was J6 a Precursor?

2024-08-2052:215

As Donald Trump’s sentencing date approaches, he and his lawyers are throwing all the spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord break down the former president’s request to adjourn his sentencing until after the election, and the Manhattan DA’s response. Then, ProPublica reporter Joshua Kaplan joins for a deep dive into his reporting on unlawful American militia groups. Andrew and Mary talk with him about the threat these paramilitary groups pose, how they’ve used Trump’s denial of the election results for recruitment and spreading their ideology, as well as the dangers of collaboration with law enforcement.     Here is Josh Kaplan’s ProPublica investigation: Armed and Underground: Inside the Turbulent, Secret World of an American Militia. (Included is a response from Meta about the use of Facebook as a recruitment tool.) Also a note: We're expecting a joint filing in the DC case next Tuesday, so we’ll release our episode on Wednesday so Mary and Andrew can detail what's in that filing. 
Four Ring Circus

Four Ring Circus

2024-08-1356:241

After Judge Tanya Chutkan raced back to the starting line in former President Trump’s DC election interference case, Special Counsel Jack Smith asked for a reporting extension to ensure the government can make its case within the new immunity parameters. Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord analyze the reasons behind this delay, then offer some scheduling updates in Trump’s other criminal cases in Florida, Georgia and New York. Plus: a look at why Vice President Harris is choosing her words carefully when it comes to her opponent’s ongoing criminal matters. Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows. And be sure to grab your tickets for Sept 7th: Join fellow fans and viewers for an interactive experience connecting you with MSNBC's most trusted hosts and experts. Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki, Jen Psaki, Andrew Weissmann and many more. All in one place. All live on stage. All in one day. https://www.msnbc.com/Democracy2024 
Judge Chutkan is not allowing any grass grow under her feet after Trump’s DC election interference case was sent back to her courtroom. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord review her hearing schedule set to begin next week, and offer some detail on her denial of Trump’s motion to dismiss the case on selective and vindictive grounds. Then, the fallout from the Supreme Court’s immunity decision continues to echo, as Trump era DOJ official Jeffrey Clark is the latest to try for proceedings against him to be thrown out based on the High Court’s ruling. And lastly, a peek at Jenna Ellis’ cooperation in the Arizona elector case and some listener questions. Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows. And be sure to grab your tickets for Sept 7th: Join fellow fans and viewers for an interactive experience connecting you with MSNBC's most trusted hosts and experts. Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki, Jen Psaki, Andrew Weissmann and many more. All in one place. All live on stage. All in one day. https://www.msnbc.com/Democracy2024 
The Floodgates are Open

The Floodgates are Open

2024-07-3046:333

What aspects of a president’s conduct are considered ‘official acts’? This is a live issue in several of Donald Trump’s criminal cases. Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord detail Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg’s response brief to Donald Trump’s argument that the immunity ruling should impact his New York verdict. Then, they remind us of Mark Meadows’ indictment in Georgia as part of the RICO conspiracy case. Citing the immunity decision, Meadows has now petitioned the Supreme Court to review the previous 11th Circuit denial to move his case from state to federal court. And lastly, after the High Court’s immunity decision, the DC January 6th case heads back to Judge Tanya Chutkan's courtroom later this week, where briefing will begin to sort through what is considered official, versus personal conduct.And be sure to grab your tickets for Sept 7th: Join fellow fans and viewers for an interactive experience connecting you with MSNBC's most trusted hosts and experts. Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki, Jen Psaki, Andrew Weissmann and many more. All in one place. All live on stage. All in one day. https://www.msnbc.com/Democracy2024
On Monday, July 22nd, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord spoke at a live event at the Center for Life Enrichment in Highlands, North Carolina. They touched on President Biden’s historic decision to exit the race, and the legal ramifications it could hold for Trump’s continuing criminal cases. Mary and Andrew also address the question of whether a president can pardon himself, and to what extent. And they detail the reasoning laid out in Trump’s motion to vacate his New York conviction based on the Supreme Court’s decision on presidential immunity, and if any of the arguments hold water. Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com
An Unsettling Few Days

An Unsettling Few Days

2024-07-1645:077

After a traumatic weekend for the nation, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord use their law enforcement expertise to take stock of the alarming assassination attempt of former President Trump. Then, they turn to Monday’s stunning dismissal of Trump’s classified documents case, after Judge Aileen Cannon took a page from Justice Clarence Thomas’ concurrence to view Jack Smith’s appointment as illegal.  Andrew and Mary explain what options are available to the Special Counsel in appealing the dismissal.Further reading: Here is are the U.S. Codes Mary and Andrew referred to:18 U.S.C. 351- Congressional, Cabinet, and Supreme Court assassination, kidnapping, and assault; penalties18 U.S.C. 2331 (5) - definition of ‘domestic terrorism’
Immunity Fallout

Immunity Fallout

2024-07-0953:587

As last week’s historic Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity continues to be absorbed in the public sphere, the majority’s expansive view of what is considered exempt from prosecution comes into stark relief. Given their unique perspectives, veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord explore the knock-on effects the ruling will have on Donald Trump’s ongoing cases in Florida, New York and D.C.Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com
‘Textual Backflips’

‘Textual Backflips’

2024-07-0247:254

As the fallout from the momentous Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity continues to reverberate, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord offer some updates, then turn to another significant ruling from the High Court out on Friday: Fisher v. U.S. At issue was whether the charge of obstruction of an official proceeding could be applied to Capitol rioters in the wake of their actions on January 6th. Despite the ruling in favor of the defendant, their guest Ryan Goodman of Just Security confirms the limited impact this decision will have on those charged for their role in the chaos of January 6th, and on Donald Trump’s election interference case in D.C.Further reading: Here is the analysis Ryan, Mary and Andrew wrote regarding the Fischer decision for Just Security: The Limited Effects of Fischer: DOJ Data Reveals Supreme Court’s Narrowing of Jan. 6th Obstruction Charges Will Have Minimal Impact.
The Immunity Decision

The Immunity Decision

2024-07-0255:485

The consequential question before the Supreme Court on the limit and scope of presidential immunity has been decided, in three essential buckets. Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord decipher the ramifications for the former president, for the January 6th case brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith, and for the broad constitutional authority of the presidency itself. And they are joined by Trevor Morrison, NYU law professor and Dean Emeritus, to discern the finer points of the decision and the warnings cast in dissents by both Justice Sotomayor and Justice Jackson.
There has been a slew of hearings before Judge Aileen Cannon in the Florida documents case over the past few days, and veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord examine why some of these seem like unnecessary delays. Then, why Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg is asking for the limited gag order to continue in New York as Donald Trump awaits sentencing. And lastly, Mary and Andrew game out some scenarios as we hurry up and wait for the Supreme Court to decide on presidential immunity.Also, an exciting announcement! On Saturday, September 7th, MSNBC will be hosting a live event in Brooklyn called “MSNBC Live: Democracy 2024”. It will be your chance to hear thought-provoking conversations about the most pressing issues of our time, and to do so in person with some of your favorite MSNBC hosts. You can also take part in a sit-down dinner for an insider’s view of the upcoming election. Visit https://www.msnbc.com/DEMOCRACY2024 to learn more.
Trigger Avenue

Trigger Avenue

2024-06-1848:237

This week, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord dive deep into several pending motions, including Jack Smith’s pre-trial motion to modify Trump's conditions of release in the Florida documents case, which would effectively impose a gag order, just under a different legal principle. Plus: Trump’s push to end the post-trial gag order in New York. And what's at issue in the suppression motion also filed in Florida that Judge Cannon will hear next Tuesday. Last up: a preview of Fischer v. United States, a pending Supreme Court case that could have a trickle-down effect on Trump’s DC case.Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com
Post-Trial and Pre-Trial

Post-Trial and Pre-Trial

2024-06-1147:018

Former President Trump awaits his sentencing in New York, but he wants the gag order lifted in the meantime. Is that typical? Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord break down that motion, and the mechanics of sentencing in the lead up to July 11th. They also highlight Attorney General Merrick Garland’s recent op-ed calling for an end to escalated assaults on our judicial system in the wake of Trump’s verdict in Manhattan. Last up, Andrew and Mary scrutinize Judge Cannon’s schedule revisions for several motions in Florida documents case, and analyze the significance of Georgia racketeering case being stayed pending appeal.Further reading: Here is Attorney General Merrick Garland’s OpEd in the Washington Post that Andrew and Mary spoke about: Opinion- Merrick Garland: Unfounded attacks on the Justice Department must endNote: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com
It’s been less than a week since the jury reached a verdict in Donald Trump’s criminal trial and the political spin on the result is dizzying. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord seek to debunk several claims entered into the public discourse, especially around the Department of Justice being involved in a state case and that the trial was somehow ‘rigged’. They also address some breaking news out of Wisconsin, where Kenneth Chesebro, Jim Troupis and Michael Roman were criminally charged in that state's  fake elector scheme. Then, Andrew and Mary review the latest in Florida after Special Counsel Jack Smith refiled his motion to bar Trump from making statements that endanger law enforcement.Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com
BONUS: Witness to History

BONUS: Witness to History

2024-06-0345:2411

In a new special, Andrew Weissmann, Rachel Maddow and our team give an intimate and personal look inside the Trump courtroom. They tell some never-before-heard stories about what it was like to witness, firsthand, some of the most explosive moments of the trial. In addition to Rachel and Andrew, you'll hear from Joy Reid, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chris Hayes, Katie Phang, Lisa Rubin, Yasmin Vossoughian, and Laura Jarrett. Together, they share what it was like to witness history from the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse.
“We Have a Verdict”

“We Have a Verdict”

2024-05-3150:389

Donald J. Trump, the former president and presumptive 2024 Republican nominee, was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord reflect on the gravity of the verdict and offer insights into what comes next in terms of sentencing and the appeals process. 
In Closing

In Closing

2024-05-2959:192

It’s a historic moment, as the country awaits the jury’s verdict in the first ever criminal trial of a former president. To assess the gravity of what each side needed to convey in summations, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord scrutinize the approach to closing arguments by both the defense and the prosecution. Then, they turn to the latest from the Florida documents case, where Judge Cannon and Special Counsel Jack Smith are at odds. The issue: Donald Trump’s ‘lies’ posted and amplified, concerning the search warrants executed on his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2022.
Ahead of Tuesday’s closing arguments in the first ever criminal trial of a former president, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord detail Tuesday’s crushing cross examination of Robert Costello by Susan Hoffinger, and what it means for the defense’s attempt to undermine Michael Cohen’s credibility. Then, what listeners should infer from the charging conference- as this determines what the jury can deliberate on. And big picture: what each side needs to accomplish in their respective closing arguments.
130,000 Reasons

130,000 Reasons

2024-05-2152:069

Donald Trump’s defense team rested on Tuesday without calling the former President to the stand. But some crucial points were made before the conclusion of Michael Cohen’s cross examination that veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord explain in depth. They also weigh in on some courtroom tactics that worked and others that didn’t go over well from both the prosecution and the defense. Plus, Andrew and Mary detail some of the gambits used by defense witness Robert Costello that were admonished by Judge Merchan.
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Comments (68)

michael gilman

Andrew, please pronounce the Vice President's first name correctly.

Aug 17th
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Mike McAngus

I'm surprised you didn't point out that Thomas' concurrence was just dicta.

Jul 27th
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michael gilman

Andrew Andrew Andrew. it's cute that you find yourself so funny. but please just print your resume instead of continually citing its highlights.

Jul 19th
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Anthony Famularo

If laptops were allowed in the courtroom, SOMEONE was recording sound, guaranteed. It might not surface for decades, but we'll hear it eventually.

Jun 3rd
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Daniel Bernstein

I have a question for the hosts about the jury instructions in the Manhattan case. I understand that New York law prohibits jurors from getting a copy of the written instructions during deliberations. Do you know the rationale behind this prohibition? Given the complexity of the charges and the instructions, it would seem that providing a copy of the instructions would be particularly helpful in thi case.

May 30th
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ID21274754

But his emails….

May 29th
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Mike McAngus

You CAN have your cake and eat it. What you can't do is eat your cake and have it too.

May 27th
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Weather or Not

I get "It's Tuesday Dave..." I get it

May 1st
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Weather or Not

it is clear and simple. the president is not king. if the president is king the the revolution of 1776 was lost. clear and simple.

Apr 26th
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AH

Congratulations on winning the Webby awards.

Apr 24th
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Susan D'Alessandro

great episodes as always. I can't find where to vote

Apr 17th
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michael gilman

Sorry, I ran out of room. I never twittered or Xd. So, I don't have the discipline of using few characters. Anyway, I found the discussion of whether or not the jury pool would be tainted by certain information about Trump's situation being allowed to circulate pretrial. Who the heck that might be a juror has not heard it all by now, or as Andrew might say, could google it. Keep up the good work. Michael Gilman PA-C Falmouth, MA

Apr 11th
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michael gilman

Hello Andrew and Mary. Thank you for doing these podcasts to shed light. On what's going on in this critical time for our country. And also thank you for your appearances on various m. Sn BC political interview shows. The information is valuable and much appreciated. I would like to offer 2 teeny critiques. Mary used the word democrat as an adjective. That usage has the lineage to go straight back to McCarthy and right winners today, use it too. Democratic is correct. Who

Apr 11th
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Ron Cunningham

Andrew keeps saying withispectoo. What's a withispectoo?

Apr 3rd
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Steve Hanson

Judge Cannon seems to be too inexperienced to handle the Mar a Lago trial, but all her mistakes break Trump's way, sometimes in ways that suggest a mastery of federal trial process. Setting aside the ethical question of bias, what are the rules on a judge getting advice on law and strategy? Can a judge be disciplined if they corruptly solicit or accept such advice?

Mar 20th
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David Everitt

I have loved listening to these casts until this special. Andrews style here is not like previous and sounds false.

Mar 16th
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Joan kleinman-cohen

Mary and Andrew Why are we so helpless when it comes to ensuring Cannon is removed from this case. why isn't Smith moving this to the higher court and not the bought corrupt SC. It's hard to swallow and remain optimistic about the decency of Americans to do the right thing because our leaders have failed us.

Mar 13th
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AL Hi

Weissmann is brilliant. His analyses are spot on. 5 STARS!!

Feb 25th
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Ed Potter

What does it say about Merrick Garland's regard for Pres. Biden that he would release this to the public?

Feb 10th
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michael gilman

Biden is offended by Hur's report but have you noticed he does not deny he forgot or confused dates and events even as he continues to confuse names of foreign leaders. He says he thought it was out of bounds for Hur to ask about his son's death. Why did he not say so and decline to answer? This is just the beginning of the campaign it is going to get much worse. It is time for Biden, Dems, and journalists to lead by calling Trump a rapist and fraud and asking why Americans should accept that.

Feb 10th
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