Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

Ever felt overwhelmed by breakneck growth, scattered systems, and a CEO who just wants “more”—now? If you’re a second-in-command, this episode flips the pain of scaling upside down.Host Sivana Brewer dives deep with Inaas Arabi, COO at Block & Associates Realty and an industry veteran who’s engineered two rounds of company doubling (with a third on deck). They break down order-from-chaos strategies, how to build systems that actually scale, and the hidden math of hiring for sustainable results. Hear why most “growth plans” fail, and how trusted advisors and specialized team pods change everything.Don’t miss out—if you want to avoid costly mistakes, burnout, and leadership isolation, tune in now. This episode exposes proven, rare insights and actionable frameworks you simply won’t get anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – From scorching Austin heat to building legacy: Inaas’s introduction and real-world leadership challenge[00:03] – The “three-month property turnover” nightmare and the breakthrough that shattered it[00:16] – The surprising danger in property manager–centric models and the pod system that solves it[00:27] – Chaos vs. order: When to build systems and when to let things break (and why most get it wrong)[00:32] – The obscure art of error rates—and why perfect service is a myth, even for world-class COOs[00:34] – How trusted advisors expose hidden blind spots that can kill your growth[00:39] – Building your mentor board: Where to find them and how to make the relationship work[00:48] – Tripling scale and checking off U.S. states—behind the personal drive fueling strategic victoriesResources & MentionsZillowRealPageAmerican Homes 4 RentProgress ResidentialUltraSourceEOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System)About the GuestInaas Arabi is an accomplished executive with over 25 years in real estate and property management, including leadership roles at companies like Zillow, RealPage, and American Homes 4 Rent. Since joining Block & Associates Realty in May 2023, she has focused on optimizing operations and driving strategic growth in the greater Atlanta and North Carolina regions. Inaas holds an Executive MBA from Kennesaw State University and has a strong background in asset management, operations, and tech-driven solutions for the real estate industry.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, co-host Sivana Brewer sits down with Richard Scheele, CFA, CFP, Managing Partner at Next Level Planning Group and longtime COO Alliance member.Richard takes us inside more than a decade of leadership evolution, from starting as an intern to stepping into the Managing Partner seat of a fast-growing financial planning firm. He shares candid stories about redefining his role, building systems around EOS, and learning to lead beyond his comfort zone. The conversation explores what happens when you outgrow your title, how teams mature into strategic thinkers, and why clarity—real clarity—changes everything.You’ll hear how Richard and his team rebuilt their communication rhythms, created a shared playbook for decision-making, and shifted their mindset around accountability and alignment. It’s an honest, practical look at what it really takes to scale without losing culture, trust, or your own sense of direction.Whether you’re a second in command stepping into bigger shoes or a CEO looking to strengthen your leadership infrastructure, this episode will spark ideas you can use immediately.Timestamped Highlights00:00 The leadership lesson Richard wishes he’d learned earlier.02:10 Richard’s growth from intern to Managing Partner.04:12 Why changing his title was critical for true alignment.06:25 How EOS reshaped communication and accountability.08:40 The value of an outside implementer for early EOS adopters.11:03 Richard’s background in teaching economics and how it shaped his leadership style.13:18 Creating a decision-making playbook for future clarity.15:45 Balancing vision, strategy, and the daily operational grind.18:20 How curiosity and vulnerability strengthen team culture.21:03 Turning strategy into a team-driven discipline.23:30 The evolution of Next Level Planning Group’s internal structure.27:05 Richard’s biggest lessons from leading a rapidly growing organization.Resources MentionedEntrepreneurial Operating System (EOS)About the GuestRichard Scheele, CFA, CFP, is the Managing Partner at Next Level Planning Group, where he leads daily operations, strategic initiatives, and organizational coordination. Starting his career as an assistant portfolio analyst, Richard moved through roles in service, analysis, and financial planning before stepping into leadership. His background in teaching economics and his analytical approach to decision-making shape the way he develops talent, drives alignment, and supports long-term firm growth.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book:

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Aldo Siciliano, COO and President of Watters International Realty, a fast-scaling residential brokerage serving multiple Texas markets.Aldo shares how Watters uses EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System) to create alignment, simplify decision-making, and support a fast-moving, marketing-driven business. He breaks down the real work of being an integrator, why adaptability matters more than expertise, and how to keep a visionary’s ideas grounded in reality without killing momentum.They dig into hiring proven talent vs. emerging talent, managing burnout and stress in relationship-heavy industries, and knowing when a new tool is genuinely helpful versus just shiny. Aldo also talks about maintaining simplicity at scale, building systems that teams will actually use, and why emotional management is one of the hardest parts of leading in real estate.This is a practical, honest, detail-rich episode for any COO navigating growth, complexity, and a CEO with a strong visionary engine.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – What EOS really is and why it works for small to mid-size companies[01:08] – Introducing Aldo: data-driven operator, people-first leader[02:51] – Watters International Realty: multi-market residential brokerage across Texas[03:52] – Aldo’s journey from VP of Marketing to COO & President[05:17] – Why being a generalist (not a specialist) made him a stronger COO[07:16] – What made Aldo want to work with CEO Chris, a “zero-to-one” visionary[08:54] – How the CEO–COO decision-making dynamic works in real life[10:08] – Why Aldo was chosen for the COO role: integration mindset + complement to the visionary[10:33] – Why Watters implemented EOS and how it fit their bandwidth[11:54] – The core pieces of EOS that actually move the needle[13:36] – Small changes vs. big changes and why incremental improvements matter[16:48] – SOPs, knowledge bases, and keeping documentation simple[18:24] – Why Aldo uses Motion instead of Asana/ClickUp[20:58] – The hidden cost of complex tools and the myth of “software will fix everything”[22:56] – Lessons from failed system implementations and the danger of poor adoption[24:29] – “Teach people how to think, not what to do” and how Aldo applies this[28:09] – Coaching teams through burnout, stress, and emotional fatigue[29:42] – The emotional load on sales leaders: “You’re in the attitude management business”[31:25] – Why burnout often comes from the wrong people in the wrong seats[33:01] – The importance of hiring experienced talent during scaling[38:40] – Proven talent vs. emerging talent in fast-growth companies[40:17] – The risk of a wrong sales leader: attrition, client loss, culture loss[41:47] – Why individual impact shrinks as companies scale[42:56] – Aldo’s next big initiative: new expansion strategy[43:40] – Where to find Aldo onlineResources & Mentions• EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating System• Motion (project + time management)• monday.com• Salesforce• Asana• ClickUpAbout the GuestAldo Siciliano is the COO and President of Watters International Realty, a multi-market Texas-based residential brokerage. Known for his blend of analytical thinking and empathetic...

In this episode, Cameron sits down with Steven Huang, the Director of Finance, People, IT, and Community at MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. Steven helps lead global efforts to bring psychedelic research, policy reform, and public understanding into the mainstream, building on MAPS’ 40-year history at the forefront of mental health innovation.Steven shares his unlikely path from life insurance actuary to Silicon Valley analyst to psychedelic industry operator, including how psychedelics shaped his career decisions, his leadership growth, and his move into the second-in-command role during a major organizational crisis. He and Cameron explore what the government is getting right, where the psychedelic movement is headed, and how MAPS balances scientific rigor with visionary cultural work.If you’ve been watching psychedelics move from taboo to the TED stage to boardrooms and leadership circles, this conversation gives a rare inside look at the movement from someone steering the ship.Timestamped Highlights00:00 Steven opens with a core leadership lesson around self-belief.01:28 Cameron introduces Steven and MAPS’ mission.03:00 Cameron’s first encounter with Rick Doblin and the psychedelic space.04:09 What MAPS is and how it’s shaped the psychedelic movement.05:18 How cannabis legalization opened the door for psychedelic conversations.07:23 Steven on public stigma shifting and psychedelics entering mainstream business culture.09:00 Understanding MDMA therapy, ketamine, and where research is now.11:41 Cameron’s personal experiences with psychedelic therapy.12:44 How government perception and bipartisan interest are evolving.14:45 How MAPS is funded and why conferences aren’t profit centers.15:39 The path from MAPS to Lycos and Resilient Pharmaceuticals.18:00 Real-world use: psilocybin dispensaries and psychedelic churches.20:19 Where psychedelics help… and where clinical caution still matters.22:20 The role of intention in therapeutic and recreational use.24:32 Steven’s psychedelic-inspired career pivot from actuary to Facebook.27:21 Cameron’s first MDMA experience and how it changed his worldview.29:05 When company culture goes too far.30:30 The challenge of leading a nonprofit in a regulated landscape.33:16 The FDA setback and massive internal shift at MAPS.37:04 Steven’s first encounter with Rick Doblin and the reality of working with a visionary founder.39:00 Steven’s advice to his younger self.Resources & MentionsMDMA-assisted therapyKetamine therapyPsilocybinAyahuascaPsychedelic Science ConferenceResilient Pharmaceuticals (formerly Lykos Therapeutics)Rick DoblinAbout the GuestSteven Huang is the Director of Finance, People, IT, and Community at MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. With a background spanning actuarial science, Facebook’s people analytics team, and diversity leadership roles across Silicon Valley, Steven brings a rare mix of analytical rigor and human-centered...

We’re bringing this episode back because listeners couldn’t get enough the first time around. Cameron sits down with Tom Keiser, COO of Zendesk, to unpack how he helped scale the SaaS powerhouse to a billion-dollar trajectory. Tom shares how he bridged the gap between IT and operations, built cadence-driven execution rhythms, and created visibility across the business while keeping the culture humble, fast, and customer-obsessed.If you’re leading a growing company and need a blueprint for scaling without suffocating the entrepreneurial edge… this one hits hard.Timestamped Highlights01:11 Meet Tom Keiser and his path from CIO to COO02:00 Early days: Capgemini, E&Y, and stepping into tech leadership05:27 What Zendesk actually does (and how it scaled globally)07:33 How SaaS changed the business–IT power dynamic08:55 Why CIOs must become business partners, not tech overseers10:54 The PMO strategy that keeps Zendesk aligned as it scales12:04 Tom’s weekly operational cadence pulled from retail13:50 Turning insights into action: Sales, pipeline, and global adjustments15:37 How Zendesk avoids bureaucracy while growing fast17:39 Culture: The Danish “Humbled It” mindset19:36 Saying no without killing momentum20:57 Managing customer support when your whole business is CX23:38 Omnichannel done right: Continuous conversations, not disconnected pings26:14 Machine learning inside Zendesk Guide29:18 How Tom balances immediate execution with long-term scaling32:55 What smaller companies can learn from Zendesk’s growth34:34 Vulnerability and learning to step into discomfort as a leader36:25 When to trust your team and when to drop into details37:51 How Zendesk’s founder transitioned out of day-to-day execution39:18 Market risks, public cloud, open-source, and economic uncertainty39:46 What 5G will unleash for future customer experiences43:12 Building whole leaders, not siloed operators44:13 Tom’s advice to his 21-year-old selfAbout the GuestTom Keiser is the Chief Operating Officer of Zendesk, where he oversees global operations, IT, enterprise analytics, security, and go-to-market execution for one of the world’s leading customer experience platforms. With 25+ years of experience across retail, technology, and SaaS, Tom blends deep technical expertise with business-led operational leadership. Before Zendesk, he served as CIO at L Brands and spent years in management consulting at Capgemini and Ernst & Young.🔗 LinkedIn Resources & MentionsCapgemini / Ernst & YoungZendeskImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via a...

In this episode, Cameron sits down with Brett Bruggeman, Executive Vice President and COO of Land O’Lakes, a 104-year-old, $16B cooperative spanning dairy foods, animal nutrition, and crop inputs. Brett shares how Land O’Lakes manages scale across 20 business units, supports more than 4,000 cooperative owners, and touches half of America’s farmland.He and Cameron dig into the cooperative model, growth challenges in shrinking markets, how the company is driving new productivity for farmers, and their bold new initiative that partners with retail owners to invest in late-stage ag-tech. Brett also talks about outside-in thinking, the power of data, how to stay ahead of the customer, and why the future of agriculture requires both AI and human EQ.If you’re a COO navigating large-team complexity, shifting markets, or innovation inside a legacy organization, this conversation is a masterclass in clarity, discipline, and strategic focus.Timestamped Highlights00:00 Brett and Cameron kick off the conversation (with a quick cameo from Brett’s comms lead, John).01:03 How Brett discovered the podcast and the purpose of “the COO story.”03:30 Land O’Lakes overview: 104-year history, cooperative structure, and national footprint.07:14 The company’s roots: dairy farmers searching for a market for cream.08:26 How Land O’Lakes evolved into dairy, animal nutrition, and crop inputs.10:24 Purina brand clarification: Land O’Lakes vs. Nestlé internationally.10:44 Revenue breakdown across business units.12:00 How Brett avoids getting pulled into every detail while leading a massive enterprise.14:10 How outside-in thinking reshaped corporate strategy.15:17 The “vital few” → the three-or-four priorities that guide the entire company.16:49 The six transformation “big bets.”18:46 Becoming a data-first company: insights, segmentation, and new markets.20:29 The strategic questions Land O’Lakes uses to break stagnation.22:45 Their stance on hybrid work and why face-to-face still matters.25:05 Growth challenges: farmers under pressure, shrinking markets, and opportunities.26:05 Introducing AgRogue: the new retail growth fund (70–100M) to invest in late-stage ag-tech.27:39 Why partnering with retail owners creates stronger market access.28:17 What a cooperative actually is and how it differs from other business models.31:39 How 4,000 owners create loyalty, but not complacency.33:31 Why aligning retail owners with Land O’Lakes creates predictable innovation adoption.36:51 How AI and predictive models are transforming supply chain, waste, and productivity.38:37 Three AI goals: target growth, eliminate waste, improve customer experience.40:55 How Land O’Lakes approaches AI responsibly (and without getting “over their skis”).42:37 What Brett is working on personally as a leader: presence, change management, results.47:28 Advice to his younger self: ask better questions, seek mentors, take international roles.Resources & MentionsPurina (livestock feed brand)WinField (crop inputs brand)Microsoft (AI and data initiatives)AgRogue (Land O’Lakes + retail owner growth fund)Radicle (ag-tech investment partner)Circana (retail data source, referenced as...

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Matthew Rathje, Chief Operating Officer of TrueNorth Companies and long-time member of the COO Alliance.From starting in payroll and claims management to leading operations for a $165M insurance and professional services firm, Matt shares his journey of scaling from the ground up, balancing structure, culture, and human leadership. He offers practical insights on bringing clarity and accountability to fast-growing organizations, structuring meetings that actually move the needle, and building trust without falling into “artificial harmony.”Matt also opens up about navigating personal and professional adversity, from weathering the 2020 derecho storm that destroyed his family’s home, to leading through COVID-19, and how those experiences shaped his leadership philosophy rooted in humility, collaboration, and optimism.Timestamped Highlights[00:01:20] – Matt’s journey at TrueNorth and how he helped the company grow from a local firm to a $165M organization.[00:05:16] – Lessons from moving between individual contributor and leadership roles.[00:07:00] – How TrueNorth’s leadership transition inspired a more unified executive vision.[00:09:20] – Preparing to step into the COO role and finding mentors in the process.[00:10:44] – Why Matt joined the COO Alliance and what he learned from peers in other industries.[00:13:00] – Building clarity and accountability through RIMs and RIOs (Relatable Impact Metrics & Objectives).[00:15:00] – Starting TrueNorth’s organizational health journey with Patrick Lencioni’s Table Group.[00:17:34] – How Lencioni’s framework helped the team prioritize what’s most important right now.[00:18:46] – Team effectiveness workshops and how vulnerability-based trust builds healthy organizations.[00:20:35] – How to identify “artificial harmony” and address it before it erodes team commitment.[00:24:32] – Balancing collaboration with decisive leadership.[00:26:03] – Structuring meetings for clarity, speed, and results.[00:29:40] – How personal adversity (a devastating storm) strengthened Matt’s leadership perspective.[00:33:54] – Leading with empathy, gratitude, and perspective through crisis.[00:38:52] – Building trust and vulnerability across teams.[00:40:31] – Strengthening the CEO-COO relationship and defining complementary strengths.[00:42:42] – Using Vivid Vision to align the entire company around purpose and feeling.[00:46:14] – Launching The TrueNorth Way: the company’s roadmap for a world-class client experience.Resources & MentionsThe Apple Experience by Carmine GalloUnreasonable Hospitality by Will GuidaraMeetings Suck by Cameron HeroldThe Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni (and the related Five Behaviors of a Cohesive Team framework)About the GuestMatthew Rathje is the Chief Operating Officer of TrueNorth Companies, a Midwest-based insurance and professional services firm dedicated to protecting and maximizing its clients’ assets, resources, and opportunities.Since joining TrueNorth over a decade ago,...

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Dr. Melonie Boone, Chief Operating Officer of Edesia Nutrition, a Rhode Island–based nonprofit on a mission to end childhood malnutrition worldwide.Dr. Boone shares her inspiring journey from corporate HR and executive consulting to joining a purpose-driven organization where every product saves lives. She opens up about leaving her consulting career to relocate her family and help Edesia scale globally while staying rooted in its humanitarian mission.Together, Sivana and Melonie explore what it means to lead in a business where the stakes are life and death, balancing operational excellence with empathy, trust, and resilience. From creating healthy CEO-COO dynamics to rebuilding confidence after crisis, she offers grounded advice for leaders who want to make impact and results coexist.Timestamped Highlights[00:02:31] – Dr. Boone explains Edesia Nutrition’s mission to eradicate malnutrition and how each box of product saves a child’s life.[00:04:29] – The personal loss that inspired her to pursue work with deeper purpose.[00:06:27] – How consulting for Edesia’s CEO turned into a full-time COO opportunity.[00:08:09] – Combining her lifelong drive to lead with her mother’s legacy of service.[00:10:14] – What challenges she was first hired to solve and how her HR and strategy background helped.[00:13:13] – Transitioning from consultant to COO and setting early “ground rules” for success.[00:15:00] – Dividing responsibilities with the founder and managing blurred lines gracefully.[00:16:20] – Facing two major business disruptions in her first six months on the job.[00:18:47] – Learning to adapt her leadership style during crises and rebuild trust.[00:20:18] – The power of transparency and “fighting together” with the CEO.[00:22:29] – How her four academic degrees shaped her approach to leadership.[00:24:08] – The lesson behind “anyone can show the numbers, but what do they mean?”[00:26:05] – Knowing which “Melonie” to bring into each meeting—coach, operator, or psychologist.[00:27:28] – How she keeps the pulse across 14 departments with weekly updates and morale checks.[00:31:29] – Using technology and HRIS tools to streamline communication and one-on-ones.[00:34:18] – Building cross-functional buy-in before making any system change.[00:36:50] – Tracking team morale and staying intentionally visible to every shift.[00:38:42] – Leading with authenticity as an introvert in a people-driven culture.[00:41:26] – Creating connection and fun through culture rituals, bingo, and bagel Tuesdays.[00:44:43] – What’s ahead: a 100,000 sq ft expansion, global growth, and personal goals for joy and balance.[00:47:00] – Her advice for aspiring COOs, current operators, and CEOs hiring their “number two.”Resources & MentionsEdesia Nutrition Plumpy’Nut® – Edesia’s flagship product saving children worldwideChildren Can’t Wait Campaign – Donate HEROic Leadership by Dr. Melonie BoonePaycor HRIS – Tool for one-on-ones, performance, and team engagementAbout the GuestDr. Melonie Boone is the Chief Operating Officer of Edesia Nutrition, a global...

In this Fan Favorite episode of the Second in Command Podcast, Cameron Herold speaks with Anna Collins, President and COO of Bulletproof, the globally recognized brand behind Bulletproof Coffee, supplements, and biohacking products designed to help people perform better, think faster, and live healthier lives. She is also a Board Member of Ladies Who Launch.Before joining Bulletproof, Anna led multi-billion-dollar businesses at Amazon, Microsoft, and CVS Health, bringing a data-driven, operational mindset to every stage of growth. In this conversation, she reveals how she helped Bulletproof evolve from a niche “biohacker” brand into a household name—streamlining operations, tightening focus, and scaling omnichannel distribution without losing its visionary edge.Anna also shares her leadership principles, from managing a founder with 100 ideas a day to running metrics-driven weekly business reviews that keep innovation grounded in reality. Her insights bridge the gap between entrepreneurial chaos and corporate discipline, showing how great COOs turn vision into execution.Timestamped Highlights[00:00:00] – Cameron introduces this episode as one of the most downloaded in show history.[00:01:14] – Anna’s career journey: from Microsoft and Amazon to joining Bulletproof.[00:03:52] – Why she left Amazon Prime for a mission-driven brand.[00:05:36] – What convinced her Bulletproof wasn’t just a fad—but a real performance enhancer.[00:06:23] – Partnering with Dave Asprey: defining roles between visionary and operator.[00:07:18] – The challenge of narrowing focus when everything looks like a good idea.[00:08:54] – Bringing Amazon’s frameworks—tenets, principles, and data mechanisms—into Bulletproof.[00:10:07] – How structure helped Dave trust the team and delegate.[00:10:26] – Shutting down international markets and cutting SKUs to simplify growth.[00:11:59] – Expanding into Amazon marketplace and corporate distribution channels.[00:13:28] – Convincing the founder to “grow beyond the core biohacker.”[00:17:00] – Managing an idea-rich founder without stifling creativity.[00:18:37] – Anna’s leadership philosophy: define reality, create possibility, say thank you.[00:21:00] – Rebuilding Bulletproof’s vision, mission, and values for clarity and culture.[00:24:20] – Weekly Business Reviews: the data-driven rhythm behind execution.[00:30:32] – How Anna divides her focus across key stakeholders—customers, team, and growth.[00:36:35] – Simplifying the Bulletproof brand for mainstream accessibility.[00:38:00] – Where she struggles as a leader—and the balance between speed and empathy.[00:42:33] – The advice she’d give her 21-year-old self: don’t take it all so seriously.About the GuestAnna Collins is the President and COO of Bulletproof overseeing strategy, operations, and omnichannel growth for the globally recognized biohacking brand. Previously, she led billion-dollar initiatives at Amazon, where she managed global Prime membership programs, and at Microsoft, where she built the search advertising business from concept to $1.6B in revenue. She is also a Board Member of Ladies Who Launch.A Harvard MBA and transformational leader, Anna specializes in building scalable systems that bridge creative vision with operational discipline. At Bulletproof, she’s helped expand the company from its core biohacker audience to a broader wellness market—making human optimization accessible to everyone.🔗 LinkedIn Resources & MentionsBulletproof 

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Daniel Quinonez, Chief Operating Officer of the Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors Association (PHCC) — one of the oldest trade associations in the United States, founded nearly 140 years ago.Daniel shares how this long-standing organization is transforming to meet the modern era while honoring its heritage. From training apprentices who go on to run multimillion-dollar companies, to integrating AI and new tech tools into the trades, the PHCC is proving that innovation and tradition can coexist.He also opens up about leadership lessons from his own journey, from mopping floors at his father’s bar to leading a national $30M organization, and how his personal mantra, “Be nice,” has shaped his management style, his culture, and his success.If you lead a legacy business, manage a growing team, or want to understand how blue-collar industries are embracing technology, this episode offers both inspiration and strategy.Timestamped Highlights[00:01:00] – The PHCC’s 140-year history and why plumbing is a pillar of public health.[00:02:40] – How the industry came together to standardize clean water systems in the 1920s.[00:03:44] – What PHCC offers its members today: education, licensing, and community.[00:05:08] – From one truck to $10M: stories of self-made contractors in the trades.[00:06:14] – Why nearly every successful owner started as a hands-on apprentice.[00:08:00] – How AI is transforming the trades and why it’s an ally, not a threat.[00:09:34] – Changing perceptions: convincing parents that the trades are a smart career path.[00:10:39] – The rise of entrepreneurship and financial freedom in plumbing and HVAC.[00:11:42] – Daniel’s own career path from government and lobbying to COO.[00:13:57] – Becoming the first COO in PHCC’s 140-year history.[00:15:25] – Helping a century-old organization modernize its operations and systems.[00:17:03] – Growing membership and education as PHCC’s two strategic pillars.[00:18:55] – The PHCC Online Academy: 15,000 students and counting.[00:21:00] – The challenge of evolving legacy culture and systems in long-standing institutions.[00:22:30] – Why more contractors are creating COO roles for succession planning.[00:25:17] – Family businesses, private equity, and the changing face of ownership.[00:27:56] – Daniel’s leadership mantra: “Be nice.”[00:33:38] – Balancing kindness with accountability and setting measurable goals.[00:35:00] – Building buy-in and bringing staff along during organizational change.[00:39:00] – Teaching business finance and leadership to new COOs in the trades.[00:43:36] – Daniel’s excitement for PHCC Connect 2024 and the next generation of apprentices.Resources & MentionsPHCC – Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors AssociationPHCC Academy – Online education and apprenticeship trainingQuality Service Contractors (PHCC Program) – Business coaching for contractorsFederated Insurance – PHCC partner for business succession planningSkillsUSA & WorldSkills Competitions – Annual events supporting young tradespeopleAbout the GuestDaniel Quinonez is...

In this powerful episode of the Second in Command Podcast, co-host Sivana Brewer sits down with Brittany Dunn, COO and co-founder of Safe House Project, a national nonprofit dedicated to eradicating human trafficking in the United States.Brittany shares the remarkable story of how she and her co-founder built Safe House Project from an idea into a nationwide movement, launching a full organization in just 90 days while balancing motherhood, military life, and a mission to save lives.She discusses how her background in international business and M&A shaped her operational mindset, and how she’s using corporate systems to solve one of the world’s most complex humanitarian challenges. From developing Simply Report, a tech platform helping identify trafficking cases, to fostering a trauma-informed team culture, Brittany offers a masterclass in leadership under pressure, emotional resilience, and purpose-driven innovation.Timestamped Highlights[00:01:00] – Brittany shares the mission behind Safe House Project and how it began.[00:02:15] – Only 100 safe house beds existed for 300,000 trafficked kids—why resources were so scarce.[00:04:26] – How two military spouses built a national nonprofit in 90 days.[00:06:01] – Why they launched nationally instead of locally (and how it changed everything).[00:08:00] – A day in the life: policy, survivor support, sting operations, and leadership.[00:10:20] – The corporate skills that transferred and the ones that didn’t.[00:12:17] – Balancing strategy with empathy: why people aren’t “projects.”[00:13:01] – Hiring survivors to co-create programs that work in real life.[00:15:27] – The emotional weight of leading in trauma-informed work.[00:17:14] – Launching Simply Report, a new tech platform for anonymous trafficking tips.[00:19:00] – The behavioral algorithm behind Simply Report and how it works.[00:21:17] – The power of partnerships and why Brittany took every call early on.[00:22:41] – Preventing burnout: clarity, communication, and individualized care.[00:25:37] – Inside her relationship with her co-founder and how they model healthy conflict.[00:29:23] – Building a culture of trust, ownership, and open dialogue (“Cuss and Discuss”).[00:34:05] – How Safe House Project hires intentionally and why cultural fit matters most.[00:36:10] – The art of letting go: why firing fast protects mission and morale.[00:37:30] – A recent setback and how the team turned disappointment into innovation.[00:40:18] – Choosing integrity over comfort: giving back salaries during COVID to keep promises.[00:42:01] – Daily rhythms that keep Brittany grounded in hard seasons.[00:43:23] – The next big challenge: state-level adoption of Simply Report.[00:44:13] – A hopeful look ahead: documentary, podcast, and shifting public awareness.Resources & MentionsSafe House ProjectSimply Report App (iOS & Android) – Anonymous reporting tool for human...

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, co-host Sivana Brewer chats with Will Smith, COO and Managing Partner of Lone Star Pups, a multi-location Dogtopia franchise with 15 stores across San Antonio and Denver.Will shares how he’s scaled his team from zero to 140 employees in just a few years by leading with servant leadership, radical transparency, and a simple but powerful formula: Time + Trust = Influence.From teaching his staff about personal finance to running anonymous team surveys and writing heartfelt newsletters himself, Will breaks down how he creates a workplace where people feel seen, supported, and connected to the company’s mission. He also dives into financial literacy and why understanding money, personally and professionally, is the missing link for many leaders.Whether you’re managing a large service team or growing a people-first brand, this episode is packed with actionable leadership and financial principles that can transform both your team and your bottom line.Timestamped Highlights[00:04:15] – How Lone Star Pups began as a post-COVID passion project.[00:05:47] – The story behind Will’s partnership with his CEO, Devin.[00:07:43] – Building trust by adding value—not ego—to leadership.[00:09:19] – Why Will left a 30-year hospitality career to run a dog business.[00:11:00] – Making decisions that impact 140 people every day.[00:12:00] – Servant leadership in action: clearing plates, fixing walls, setting culture.[00:13:34] – How Time + Trust = Influence became the company’s core formula.[00:16:10] – What Will learned from his first company-wide employee survey.[00:17:00] – How monthly newsletters create connection and clarity.[00:19:10] – The truth about communication—why “no one ever over-communicated.”[00:25:20] – The meaning behind Watering Your Bamboo and why patience drives growth.[00:27:26] – How Will learned financial discipline from his grandfather.[00:29:00] – Teaching personal finance to staff—and why it improves retention.[00:31:36] – “Canary Metrics”: a system to track the financial health of each location.[00:33:49] – Why every manager must learn to write their own P&L variances.[00:35:00] – The link between personal spending habits and leadership performance.[00:40:35] – Helping the next generation reclaim their time, focus, and financial control.[00:41:15] – What’s next: growth, teaching, and giving back.Resources & MentionsLone Star Pups, LLC Dogtopia Watering Your Bamboo by Greg BellThe 80-10-10 Rule – Will’s personal finance framework (80% bills, 10% savings, 10% giving)The Speed of Trust by Stephen M.R. Coveya...

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, Cameron Herold sits down with Ebert Grobler, COO and co-founder of Ruby Digital, one of South Africa’s top-ranked digital agencies now expanding across the globe.Ebert, who is a COO Alliance member, shares how his company has achieved near-perfect team retention and why their internal mantra—“Grow People, Grow Global, Grow Profit”—has fueled both performance and culture. From developing a system called The Ruby Way to empowering every team member to operate like an entrepreneur, Ebert breaks down how Ruby Digital builds sustainable high performance without burnout.He also explains how they’ve turned retention, trust, and human connection into a competitive advantage in a saturated market and why premium service is still one of the rarest differentiators in the U.S. marketing landscape.Timestamped Highlights [00:01:45] – Why Ruby Digital is expanding from South Africa into the U.S. [00:05:25] – The surprising gap in the U.S. market: quality and retention. [00:08:12] – How Ruby Digital achieves 95–100% staff retention. [00:10:20] – Creating “The Ruby Way”: an operating system built on trust. [00:12:45] – Letting employees act like entrepreneurs without the risk. [00:16:00] – “Step Up”: the six-month advancement model that keeps people growing. [00:18:30] – Guardrails against burnout: scorecards, balance wheels, and wellbeing KPIs. [00:22:40] – Why culture drives premium client delivery. [00:25:05] – How Ebert measures success: Grow People → Grow Global → Grow Profit. [00:27:15] – Ruby’s philosophy: manage risk, not just marketing. [00:30:10] – B2B growth: focusing on long-term relationships, not quick wins. [00:33:25] – The “SMC client” model—serving sophisticated, mature companies. [00:36:10] – How much companies should invest in marketing (and why most don’t). [00:41:10] – Ruby’s 15% marketing reinvestment and in-house client mindset. [00:45:30] – Turning unused leads into referral revenue. [00:48:10] – The biggest lesson from failure: trust is earned, not given.Resources & MentionsSmart Marketing 2.0 Podcast – Co-hosted by Ebert GroblerScaling Up by Verne HarnishGood to Great by Jim CollinsAbout the GuestEbert Grobler is the COO and co-founder of Ruby Digital, a global performance marketing agency headquartered in South Africa with hubs in the U.K. and U.S. A former communication-science student turned “human-systems engineer,” Ebert is known for creating organizational models that blend business growth with human sustainability. Under his leadership, Ruby Digital has been recognized as one of the Top 20 Companies to Work For in South Africa by the U.K. Sunday Times and continues to redefine what it means to run a people-first, performance-driven company.🔗 LinkedIn |

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, guest co-host Sivana Brewer (Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io) sits down with Cory Raggi, COO of 1RDG The Financial Center, to talk about leading with empathy, navigating change, and building trust in teams both large and small.Cory shares her journey from leading HR at a 15,000-person company to stepping into her first COO role at a fast-growing 80-person firm. She opens up about how she learned to adapt, communicate, and stay grounded in high-pressure situations and the three core practices that help her regulate stress and lead with clarity.From learning to “roll on the edge” between people and performance to replacing stress with self-awareness, this conversation is packed with real-world leadership lessons for operators who want to grow without burning out.Timestamped Highlights[00:02:00] – How Cory went from HR leader to unexpected COO.[00:03:00] – Redefining what a COO really does (and doesn’t do).[00:06:26] – “Right people, right seats”: her mantra for solving every problem.[00:08:12] – Building trust with the CEO and learning to push back.[00:10:21] – Deprogramming corporate habits in a smaller company.[00:13:07] – Leading teams without being the technical expert.[00:17:13] – Building fast trust through humility and honest communication.[00:19:25] – The mirror test: checking your own leadership energy first.[00:22:00] – Balancing people and business why great leaders “roll on the rim.”[00:23:40] – Running effective meetings that actually serve their purpose.[00:28:16] – Leadership breakdowns most middle managers make.[00:33:13] – How Cory learned to stay calm and centered under pressure.[00:36:49] – The one-next-right-thing method for managing stress.[00:42:00] – The isolation of being a COO—and how to find your support system.[00:47:16] – What’s next for Cory personally and professionally?About the GuestCory Raggi, SHRM-SCP is the Chief Operating Officer of 1RDG The Financial Center, a company providing integrated accounting, payroll, benefits, and wealth management solutions for business owners. With a background in HR and organizational leadership, Cory blends people-first management with operational structure, helping teams stay aligned, communicative, and focused through growth.🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Podcast | LinktreeResources & MentionsThe Speed of Trust by Stephen M.R. CoveyCrucial Conversations by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan & SwitzlerMeetings Suck by Cameron HeroldEmotional...

In this Fan Favorite episode of the Second in Command Podcast, Cameron Herold sits down with Sarah Jones Simmer, former COO of Bumble, to explore how the company scaled from an empowering dating app into a billion-dollar global social platform redefining connection and kindness online.Sarah shares her journey from investment management to leading one of the fastest-growing social networking brands in the world. She opens up about working alongside visionary founder Whitney Wolfe Herd, expanding into markets like India, building culture-first teams, and reimagining leadership through empathy and purpose.From balancing motherhood and executive leadership to driving global expansion and shaping company culture, Sarah’s story offers an inspiring look at what it means to lead with both strength and softness.About the GuestSarah Jones Simmer is a seasoned business leader and former Chief Operating Officer of Bumble, where she helped scale the brand to over 50 million users worldwide. With a background in investment and strategy consulting, Sarah has built her career around mission-driven leadership, global expansion, and empowering women in business.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteResources & MentionsSerena Williams x Bumble Super Bowl CampaignAdam Grant – Organizational Psychologist and AuthorKolbe Profile (KOLBE A)TEDWomen ConferenceImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

In this episode of the Second in Command Podcast, Cameron Herold speaks with Brent Hagan, Chief Supply Chain Officer at Lob, a direct mail automation platform delivering billions of personalized mail pieces every year.Brent shares how he helped a 12-year-old startup kick off its “second act” by transforming complex logistics into scalable systems powered by technology and disciplined leadership. He opens up about developing next-generation leaders, learning to balance autonomy with accountability, and why the best operators focus less on “doing” and more on developing people who can think for themselves.From saying yes to opportunity to mastering feedback and context-switching, Brent breaks down how to lead through clarity, consistency, and reflection - and why great COOs act as both a shock absorber and a multiplier for the entire organization.Resources & MentionsLobUSPS (United States Postal Service) Amazon Discover Insights ProgramWharton Executive EducationPurdue UniversityInvest In Your Leaders Online CourseAbout the GuestBrent Hagan is the Chief Supply Chain Officer at Lob, overseeing logistics, vendor partnerships, and operational excellence for one of the fastest-growing direct mail automation companies in the U.S. A former Amazon leader and Wharton executive education graduate, Brent specializes in scaling operational systems, building resilient teams, and turning feedback into a strategic advantage.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi

What does it take to help build one of the most influential e-commerce companies in the world?In this Fan Favorite episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Harley Finkelstein, President and COO of Shopify, to revisit one of the most downloaded and talked-about conversations in the show’s history.Harley shares his journey from law school student to serial entrepreneur to becoming the operational powerhouse behind Shopify’s global rise. He opens up about working alongside founder Tobias Lütke, building the company’s culture from the inside out, and leading through rapid growth and constant reinvention.Whether you’re scaling a startup or steering a billion-dollar brand, Harley’s insights on leadership, culture, and staying grounded in the middle of explosive success will challenge and inspire you.About the GuestHarley Finkelstein is the President and Chief Operating Officer of Shopify, where he’s played a pivotal role in scaling the company from startup to a global leader in e-commerce. A serial entrepreneur and public speaker, Harley is also on the board of C100, an advisor to major venture funds, and a familiar face as a dragon on CBC’s Dragons’ Den.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteResources & MentionsGood to Great by Jim CollinsThe Misunderstood Role of the COO – Harvard Business ReviewRocket Fuel by Gino WickmanRiding Shotgun: The Role of the COO by Nathan Bennett & Stephen MilesMaker’s Schedule, Manager’s Schedule – Paul Graham essayImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance....

What really separates a COO who keeps the lights on from one who drives exponential growth?In this episode, Cameron sits down with Imad Jbara, COO of L2 Infinite Insurance and former COO of WoJo Media, who transformed a company’s client retention from 20% to 80% in just six months. Together, they unpack how COOs can build trust, fire with confidence, elevate leaders, and use systems to scale companies without chaos.From the painful lessons of firing too aggressively to the wisdom of patient onboarding and leveraging AI, Imad shares the unfiltered truth about what it really takes to succeed as a second in command.If you’re tired of firefighting and want proven systems to grow your company with less chaos, you can’t afford to skip this episode. Listen now for exclusive insights you won’t hear anywhere else.About the GuestImad Jbara is the COO of L2 Infinite Insurance and former COO of WoJo Media, where he helped transform client retention and scale revenues dramatically. He’s trained some of the largest sales teams in the world and worked alongside icons like Tony Robbins, Grant Cardone, and Alex Hormozi. Imad is known for building systems, empowering leaders, and creating the cultural foundations that allow companies to thrive.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteResources & Links MentionedProcess Street (SOP software)Maslow’s Hierarchy of NeedsImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by Podcast Your Brand. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.What does it take to scale a $100M company into a $365M powerhouse and beyond?In this episode, Cameron Herold sits down with longtime friend Erik Church, President & COO of 1-800-GOT-JUNK? and the O2E Brands portfolio. Together, they reflect on 30 years of leadership lessons, from fraternity houses and College Pro Painters to running one of the most recognized franchise brands in North America.Erik reveals how he uses the Painted Picture (now Vivid Vision) process to align his teams, why saying “no” is often the most important leadership move, and how 101 Life Goals have become a cultural cornerstone at O2E. He also shares the realities of working with a high-profile visionary founder, balancing bold, sometimes “crazy” ideas with operational discipline.If you’re a second-in-command navigating rapid growth, culture challenges, or a visionary CEO, this episode delivers actionable insights from one of the most seasoned COOs in the franchise world.Timestamped Highlights[00:01:00] – Erik’s journey from EF Education to leading 1-800-GOT-JUNK?[00:05:00] – How Painted Pictures (Vivid Vision) align teams across multiple brands[00:07:22] – Why great leadership is more about saying no than yes[00:09:19] – Lessons on culture from fraternity days, the military, and EF Education[00:13:41] – Navigating life as the COO “behind the brand” of a visionary founder[00:15:29] – Succession planning: why no one can advance until they replace themselves[00:19:19] – How Erik and Brian carve out alignment time and balance ideas vs. execution[00:21:00] – The power of 101 Life Goals in culture and recruitment[00:28:00] – Balancing big, bold founder ideas with scalability and replication[00:39:34] – Leading through constant change and technology transformation[00:42:19] – What Brian saw in Erik—and how their partnership works[00:46:22] – Erik’s biggest contribution to O2E Brands’ growthAbout the GuestErik Church is the President & COO of 1-800-GOT-JUNK? and the O2E Brands family (WOW 1 DAY PAINTING, You Move Me, Shack Shine). Since joining in 2011, he has helped scale the company from $100M to over $365M in revenue, focusing on culture, operational excellence, and leadership development. Previously, he served as President of EF Education Canada and held senior leadership roles across EF’s global businesses. Erik is also an avid outdoorsman, traveler, and motorcycle enthusiast.🔗 Website | LinkedInResources & MentionsRocket Fuel by Gino WickmanThe Dream Manager by Matthew KellyThe Wizard of Ads: Turning Words into Magic and Dreamers into Millionaires by Roy H. WilliamsImportant LinksConnect with Cameron:

In this episode of the Second in Command podcast, co-host Sivana Brewer is joined by Andrew Eisbrouch, COO of Abrams Media.During this fascinating conversation, Sivana and Andrew explore the unique journey of building and scaling businesses across multiple industries. You'll hear about the different challenges faced when moving from the early startup phase to a more mature stage of growth, and the lessons learned about balancing speed, creativity, and structure along the way. The discussion highlights both the excitement and complexity of operating in fast-changing environments where innovation and adaptability are key.The discussion also dives into team building, hiring strategies, and the cultural dynamics that shape organizations. From choosing between personality and experience when bringing people on board to the nuances of maintaining alignment in remote teams, Andrew offers valuable insights into leadership and people management. You'll learn the importance of trust, open communication, and knowing when to act.This episode offers a candid look at what it takes to grow not just companies, but also a vision for the future.If you've enjoyed this episode of the Second in Command podcast, be sure to leave a review and subscribe today!Enjoy!In This Episode You'll Learn:Andrew's journey from being a legal intern to a COO role in Dan Abrams' media businesses, including his decision to attend law school and his role in launching new businesses.The growth of the Law & Crime live trial network, starting with a legal-based website and expanding to live streaming murder trials.The acquisition of Law & Crime by Jellysmack, a European company focused on the creator economy.The challenges of transitioning from a COO role to a more visionary and risk-taking role. The need for a culture where mistakes are allowed and team members feel comfortable sharing ideas.And much more...Guest Bio:Andrew Eisbrouch is the former COO and General Counsel of Abrams Media and co-founder of Law&Crime, the viral true-crime network backed by Dan Abrams. He helped lead the business to a massive nine-figure acquisition while scaling the company’s production, social media, and legal operations. Now, he’s doubling down on his next venture: Bottle Raiders, which is rebranding to The Daily Pour on September 9th, a content and events brand at the intersection of liquor and non-alcoholic beverage media.Important Links:Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiDisclaimer:The views, information, or opinions expressed during this podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not