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Join Stephan as he interviews the sharpest economic and technical minds in Bitcoin & Austrian Economics to help you understand how money is changing and evolving. Leading names in the world of Bitcoin join the show to share their insights, whether they are developers, CEOs, economists, authors, analysts and more.
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A lot of people talk about Bitcoin Ossification. Today Steve Lee, Lead @ Spiral rejoins me to expand on why this is the wrong idea. We also talk about the recent situation with bitcoin mining pool centralisation and what is driving it.
Links:
X: @moneyball
AJ Town’s ‘Slow and Steady’ post mentioned:
Earlier episode also mentioned: SLP433 : v2 P2P Transport Protocol for Bitcoin (BIP324)
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Jeff Booth, author, entrepreneur and founding partner of Ego Death Capital rejoins me on the show to talk about his bitcoin advocacy at various levels:
Speaking to politicians about bitcoin
The system you give energy to
“Staying and fighting” in Canada vs supporting alternatives e.g. Madeira
‘Coincidental’ attack on Bitcoin?
Links:
X: @JeffBooth
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Site: Ego Death Capital
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How do you think about investing as a bitcoiner? Preston Pysh of TIP rejoins me on the show to talk about a range of related ideas:
HODL vs invest in companies
Microstrategy and other public companies
VC and early stage investment
Realistic investment hurdle rates
Technical realities as bitcoin grows
Links:
X: @PrestonPysh
TIP: theinvestorspodcast.com
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Dmitry Nedospasov is a PhD in Chip Security, also known for his hardware wallet exploits in 2018 with the wallet.fail talk. Dmitry joins me to talk about hardware security in the world of bitcoin and how it compares with hardware chip security in other domains. We discuss:
The 2018 wallet.fail talk
Bitcoin compared with other industries
Realistic hardware wallet attack types
The cost of attacking a hardware device
Backups and Shamir’s Secret Sharing
Links:
X: @nedos
LinkedIn: Dmitry Nedospasov
Site: Keylabs.io
Telegram: https://t.me/nedos
wallet.fail talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OBIGslgGM
Recoverylabs.io
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Steve Lee and Matt Corallo of Spiral rejoin me on the show to talk about a range of topics. Firstly we discuss the Great Consensus Clean Up which relates to fixing some long standing bugs in Bitcoin. Secondly we talk about MEV and why it’s the wrong term, instead we should be talking about MEVil and the implications for Bitcoin miner centralisation. Finally we address the rumours of Lightning Network being dead or not useful.
Links:
X: @moneyball
X: @TheBlueMatt
BlueMatt's Blog: Stop Calling It MEV
BIP Proposal: The Great Consensus Cleanup
Delving post on Great Consensus Clean up Revival
Steve’s X thread on GCC: https://twitter.com/moneyball/status/1760839436617875485
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Andrew Henderson rejoins me to discuss his story renouncing US citizenship, and whether the price was worth it. We discuss whether you should “stay and fight” as well as considerations relevant for Bitcoiners on pursuing their options in other countries. We also discuss Nomad Capitalist Live 2024, coming in KL Malaysia. Listen in to learn and stay up to date on global tax, investing and lifestyle strategies.
Links:
X: @nomadcapitalist
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Kevin Loaec of wizardsardine joins me to talk about bitcoin security and vaults. We get into a discussion about:
Vaults and what’s possible today
Timelocking and using them as part of self custody
Inheritance scenarios
Business use cases
Covenant soft forks
Links:
X: @KLoaec
X: @Wizardsardine
X: @revaultdev
Site: Wizardsardine
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:07 - Revault
08:07 - Liana
14:48 - Overview of Liana and Supported Hardware Wallets
25:17 - Managing Time Locks in Liana: Rotating Coins and Duration
29:47 - Coinkite.com
30:47 - Swan.com
32:09 - Mempool.space
33:10 - Self-Custody with Liana
37:26 - Understanding Revault and Liana
44:56 - Exploring Decaying and Expanding Multi-Signature
49:15 - RBF and CPFP in Liana Transactions
56:07 - Transaction Size in Liana
01:00:42 - The Debate on Covenants
01:05:37 - Enhancing Organization Security with Cosigners
01:09:30 - The Future of Self-Custody
Have you wondered about the role design and UX plays in Bitcoin apps? Christoph and Mogashni join me from the Bitcoin Design Community to share insights on:
What most people are getting wrong about design
How you can leverage design principles in your bitcoin product
Bitcoin specific design challenges
Types of user
Tools available by the Bitcoin Design community
Links:
Site: Bitcoin.design
Site: bitcoindesignfoundation.org
X: @MogashniNaidoo
X: @GBKS
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
03:31 - The Importance of Design in Bitcoin Applications
10:10 - The Bitcoin Design Community
12:34 - Common Mistakes in Bitcoin App Design
20:10 - Mempool.space
20:56 - Coinkite.com
25:14 - Embracing Creativity and Unique Design in Bitcoin
29:28 - Introduction to User Experience Design in Bitcoin
33:34 - Working with Bitcoin Apps and Projects
38:56 - Swan.com
39:14 - Simplifying the User Experience in Bitcoin
43:26 - Designing for Complexity in Bitcoin
45:09 - Navigating Competing Standards in Bitcoin Design
46:29 - The Value of UX Research in Bitcoin
49:48 - Practical Advice for Builders and Developers in Bitcoin Design
54:57 - Find Out More
56:40 - Closing Thoughts
Peter St Onge rejoins me on the show to share some insight into how bad the US government fiscal situation is getting. We talk:
How much debt there is and what’s next here
The impact on the people
Japanese interest rates rising
Japanese economic impacts
AI and where the jobs will come from
Bitcoin outlook
Links:
X: @profstonge
Site: Profstonge.com
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Thomas Fahrer, co-founder of Apollo joins me to talk about the Bitcoin ETFs. We talk:
Analysing the Bitcoin ETFs
What further institutional adoption looks like
How much capital could flow into Bitcoin
The Bitcoin FOMO scenario
Disagreements on the power law model
MSTR and Bitcoin
Links:
X: @thomas_fahrer
Site: Heyapollo.com
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
03:02 - The Significance of Bitcoin ETFs
13:33 - Rebalancing and Volatility
21:19 - Grayscale's Declining Bitcoin Holdings
25:41 - Swan.com
27:00 - Mempool.space
27:45 - Coinkite.com
33:35 - Possible Motivations for Grayscale's Actions
34:03 - Successful ETF Launch and Consistent Demand
37:23 - Bitcoin Price Rise and Demand - Supply Dynamics
39:44 - Volatility and Orderly Transition
41:07 - Bitcoin's Historical Price Patterns
44:05 - Flaws in Power Law Model
45:05 - Bitcoin's Potential to Replace Traditional Assets
46:41 - Flaws in Power Law Model and Fiat Currencies
50:11 - Importance of Fundamental Analysis
51:38 - Bitcoin's Bullish Case and Fundamental Properties
58:51 - Closing Thoughts
My friend Vijay Boyapati (Author of the Bullish Case for Bitcoin, and part of the Swan team) rejoins me on the show to talk about HODLing, share his analysis on things, and offer some tips on how to HODL. We talk:
What phase of the cycle we’re in
HODLer psychology
Does Bitcoin get captured?
Is Bitcoin for Everyone?
Self custody tech
GBTC and Bankruptcies
Common traps and how to avoid them
Links:
X: @real_vijay
Genesis thread https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1744454450138526162
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
03:01 - The Excitement of Bull Markets
05:54 - The Slow Build-Up and Parabolic Moves
08:46 - Hodling Through Adversity
13:07 - The Nature of Bitcoin Cycles
16:02 - The Reachability of Bitcoin Participants
19:45 - Coinkite.com
21:00 - NomadCapitalist.com
22:08 - The Challenges of Self-Custody
30:00 - The Feasibility of Self-Custody for All
34:14 - Bitcoin as a Superior Monetary Base
35:10 - Concerns about Concentration Risk
38:07 - Mempool.space
39:16 - Swan.com
40:12 - Government Influence on Bitcoin ETFs
43:32 - Multipolar World and Bitcoin Adoption
44:01 - US Favorability towards Bitcoin
46:51 - Genesis Bankruptcy and Grayscale's Future
50:11 - Common Traps in a Bull Cycle
59:54 - Dealing with Corrections in a Bull Cycle
Mi Primer Bitcoin (My First Bitcoin) has grown since I last spoke with them on the show. John from the team rejoins me to talk about how things have developed. The team has now taught over 25,000 students in El Salvador and they are now expanding internationally.
Links:
X: @jdennehy_writes
Site: Miprimerbitcoin.io
SLP381 John Dennehy & Gloriana Solano – Bitcoin Diploma in El Salvador
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
01:16 - Bitcoin Diploma and Infrastructure
03:37 - International Expansion and Node Network Governance
05:27 - Course Format and Duration
08:16 - Teaching Bitcoin in Public Schools
09:14 - Collaboration with Ministry of Education
12:37 - Different Approaches to Teaching Bitcoin
15:27 - Continued Education and Advanced Courses
17:55 - Coinkite.com
19:06 - Swan.com
20:18 - Mempool.space
21:13 - Bitcoin Education for Different Age Groups
23:48 - Format and Agenda of Bitcoin Education Conferences
26:15 - Collaboration with Governments and Universities
29:37 - Localization and Modification of Curriculum
32:31 - Focus on International Expansion
34:26 - Challenges of Education for the Masses
36:48 - Adapting Curriculum to Rising Fees
39:17 - Empowerment and Independence in Bitcoin Education
40:40 - Call for Support and Contributions
How do we interact with Bitcoin in a multi layer world? What cost savings and trade offs are necessary here? What even counts as a layer? Kilian from boltz.exchange joins me to talk about swapping across Bitcoin on-chain, Lightning and Liquid. We discuss:
How swapping works
What makes it atomic and non-custodial
What counts as layer 2
Fee savings and trade offs
Links:
X: @kilrau
Site: boltz.exchange
X: @boltzhq
Taproot feature blog post: Introducing Taproot Swaps: Putting the "Fun" Back into Refunds!
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Chapters/Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
03:07 - Boltz.exchange: Moving Between Bitcoin Layers
05:35 - Use Cases for Lightning Service Providers
09:45 - Enhancing Wallet Functionality
13:20 - Non-Custodial Atomic Swaps
21:43 - Coinkite.com
23:07 - NomadCapitalist.com
24:25 - Fees and Fee Savings
29:35 - Trust Model of Liquid
32:40 - Regulatory Risks for Liquid
37:10 - Transaction Limits on Liquid
38:58 - Mempool.space
39:59 - Swan.com
41:02 - Scalability of Liquid
44:15 - Integration of Liquid with Other Services and Wallets
51:22 - Pragmatism in Bitcoin Adoption
55:45 - Operating in a High-Fee Environment
57:45 - Closing Thoughts
Patrick van der Meijde, founder of BitKassa and co founder Arnhem Bitcoin City joins me to talk about his experience with co-founding one of the earliest Bitcoin ‘circular economy’ communities in 2014.
How he got started
Taking payments pre-lightning
Are there enough people spending?
Resurgence in circular economies
Adopting Bitcoin Arnhem City
Links:
X: @PatrickvdMeijde
Site: adoptingbitcoinarnhem.com
Site: arnhembitcoinstad.nl
Cofounder @BitKassaNL
Cofounder Arnhem Bitcoin City @Bitcoinstad
Youtube: 10 years of merchants accepting bitcoin in Arnhem
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Chapters/Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
01:55 - Bitcoin Narratives in 2014
04:45 - Transaction Fees and Challenges
08:46 - Arnhem Bitcoin City and its Evolution
09:55 - Context of Arnhem City in the Netherlands
11:45 - Capital Gains Tax in the Netherlands
12:33 - Impact of AML Regulations
14:13 - Merchants Keeping Bitcoin
15:00 - Swan.com
16:14 - Mempool.space
17:11 - Coinkite.com
18:40 - Merchant Churn and Turnover
23:35 - Importance of Local Community
28:55 - Adopting Bitcoin Conference in Arnhem
31:32 - Transition to Lightning Network
35:45 - Success Rates of Lightning Network Payments
36:30 - Improvement of Lightning Network
37:53 - Conclusion and Event Details
While in Madeira for Bitcoin Atlantis, I did some interviews on a range of topics with Lyn Alden, James Lavish, Tomer Strolight, Francis Pouliot, Steven Roose and Peter Todd. We discussed:
is Macro mid curve?
USG debt
Using analogies to teach bitcoin
librerelay
MEV concerns
Self custodial and scaling
Links:
Lyn Alden X: @LynAldenContact
Site: lynalden.com
James Lavish X: @jameslavish
Site: jameslavish.substack.com
Site: bitcoinopportunity.fund
Tomer Strolight X: @TomerStrolight
Bitcoin is Generational Wealth - A Short Film by Matt Hornick and Tomer Strolight
Swan Signal Bitcoin Blog
Francis Pouliot X: @francispouliot_
Site: BullBitcoin.com
Steven Roose X: @stevenroose3
GitHub: github.com/stevenroose
Peter Todd X: @peterktodd
Site: Petertodd.org
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What applications exist for Bitcoin self custodial finance? Philipp Hoenisch, founder of 10101 (pronounced ten-ten-one) joins me on the show to talk about bitcoin trading without counterparty risk. We discuss:
DLC overview and basics
DLC channels and lightning
10101 walkthrough
“Funding rate”
Synthetic stablecoins
For individuals or business?
Risks and things can break down
Prior Episodes:
SLP349 Chris Stewart Bitcoin DLCs & Stablechannels
SLP219 Nadav Kohen – What You Should Know About Bitcoin DLCs
SLP519 Self Custodial Bitcoin Finance with Matthew Black of Atomic Finance
Links:
X: @bonomat
X: @get10101
Site: 10101.finance
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Timestamps/Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
05:58 - The Concept of Discrete Log Contracts (DLCs)
10:28 - Non-Custodial Trading and DLC Channels
12:46 - Using the 10101 App
21:32 - Expiry and Funding Rates
26:01 - NomadCapitalist.com
27:47 - Coinkite.com
28:57 - Market Makers and Trade Sizing
32:05 - Limits and Future Plans
35:55 - Security and Hardware Wallets
37:41 - Non-Degen Uses for 10101
38:50 - Comparison of Stable Coin Concepts
41:58 - High Interest Rates and Risks
48:33 - Swan.com
49:42 - Mempool.space
50:44 - Comparison of Stable Value Options
56:49 - Technical Complexity and Education
58:43 - Future of the 10101 App
01:00:45 - Reasons for Lack of Non-Custodial Finance Adoption
01:03:56 - Closing Thoughts
Eric Yakes, author of The 7th Property, joins me to talk about the future of Bitcoin Banking, LN and ecash. We discuss:
Chaumian mints and ecash
Interaction with LN
Credit markets in the future
How does the system remain Full Reserve?
Regulatory roadblocks
Will there be a role for passive index funds?
Links:
X: @ericyakes
axiombtc.capital/bank
Site: Yakes.io
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
08:23 - Bitcoin Banking
13:57 - Chaumian Mints
19:10 - How Do Chaumian Mints Work
24:04 - Use Cases for FediMints and CashewMints
31:09 - Coinkite.com
32:24 - Mempool.space
33:13 - Swan.com
35:08 - Bitcoin's Evolution and Adoption
38:20 - Regulatory Roadblocks for Commercial Mints
40:31 - Mitigating Risk of Token Debasement
46:59 - Fractional Reserve Banking and Trust
56:45 - Passive Index Funds and Stock Indexes
01:01:56 - Accounting Valuation and Global Wealth
01:06:02 - Closing Thoughts on Banks Without Bankers
Brian Morgenstern, Head of Public Policy of Riot Platforms joins me to talk about the latest attack on Bitcoin miners:
Is Bitcoin mining a partisan issue?
The EIA “Survey”
Falsehoods on grid stability and emissions
False Emergency
What to do about it
Links:
X: @MorgensternNJ
Thread https://twitter.com/MorgensternNJ/status/1754634147232977246
X: @TXblockchain_
Sen. Lummis declares the survey to be ‘absurd’
Joint statement by the Chamber of Digital Commerce & Texas Blockchain Council opposing the survey: Industry Statement on EIA’s Emergency Survey - Chamber of Digital Commerce (digitalchamber.org)
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Timestamps/Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Background
02:26 - Is Bitcoin Support Partisan?
06:35 - The EIA Request for Information on Bitcoin Mining
13:18 - Motivations and Political Divide
18:42 - "Emergency" Collection of Data
20:14 - Swan.com
21:26 - Mempool.space
22:35 - Coinkite.com
23:52 - Competitive Information and Disclosure
31:50 - Potential Misinterpretation and Attacks
39:04 - Pushing Back and Taking Action
41:24 - The Importance of Speaking Up
42:16 - Closing Thoughts
Ben Carman of Mutiny Wallet rejoins me on the show to talk about what’s coming next for Bitcoin. We talk about scaling Bitcoin and contrast the different mindsets, discuss different soft fork proposals and directions Bitcoin could go. We also talk about what impact covenants will have and the latest with Mutiny Wallet.
Bitcoin’s biggest challenges
Taxonomy of Bitcoin development culture
Soft forks and covenants
What ‘counts’ as a Bitcoin L2?
What are the big benefits of covenants?
Mutiny Wallet - a new Hybrid era?
Will people get priced out?
Fedimint support
Synthetic USD or swaps?
Inscriptions and Spam
Links:
Site: mutinywallet.com
X: @benthecarman
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Inscriptions post: https://habla.news/a/naddr1qqxnzdesxgerxdp58yenyvejqgswrlemlh2wgqc4jkds3d8ueqj9a2j3gcm7r48v9tskdd6rxsd7rtcrqsqqqa28wdzn0j
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Timestamps/Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:18 - Bitcoin's Challenges: Scaling and Social Consensus
08:50 - Different Perspectives on Bitcoin's Future
16:10 - The Importance of Unilateral Exit and Self-Custody
21:16 - The Potential of Covenants for Scaling Bitcoin
25:23 - Mempool.space
26:17 - Coinkite.com
27:37 - Bitcoin Ark - A Payment Pool
31:11 - Introduction to Mutiny Wallet
34:36 - Addressing Security Concerns
37:06 - Simplifying Onboarding and Social Features in Mutiny Wallet
41:50 - The Challenge of Scalability and Affordability
43:50 - Building a Hybrid Wallet with Fediment Support
45:50 - NomadCapitalist.com
47:50 - Swan.com
49:07 - Guardians and Discoverability in Mutiny Wallet
50:50 - Multiple Federation Support in Mutiny Wallet
55:25 - Stable Channels and Synthetic USD in Mutiny Wallet
01:00:20 - The Role of ETFs and Number Go Up in Bitcoin Adoption
01:04:40 - The Debate on Inscriptions and Shitcoins in Bitcoin
01:08:01 - Closing Thoughts
Do the lies about Bitcoin frustrate you? Join us in this episode as we discuss the ways to dispel and debunk some of the most egregious false climate narratives on Bitcoin with Daniel Batten, Managing Partner at CH4 Capital. We discuss:
The biggest bitcoin climate myths
Dishonest portrayal in the media
“Per transaction” fake methodology
Where Cambridge CCAF is wrong
Bitcoin’s PoW and ‘ideological intransigence’
ESMA submission
How Bitcoiners can help
Links:
X: @DSBatten
Articles: https://batcoinz.com/submission-to-esma-on-bitcoin-mining/
https://batcoinz.com/a-tale-of-two-articles/
Prior episodes referred to
SLP487 Bitcoin Mining Energy Debate – Digiconomist and Ben Gagnon
SLP542 Defending Bitcoin PoW in the EU with Lyudmyla Kozlovska and Bota Jardemalie
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Timestamps/Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:51 - Daniel's Journey with Bitcoin
09:13 - Biggest Bitcoin Climate Myths
18:34 - Coinkite.com
19:37 - Mempool.space
20:34 - How Media Perceptions about Bitcoin Changed Over Time
36:20 - Cambridge Bitcoin Estimate
44:45 - Swan.com
45:54 - Acknowledging Other Paths To Sustainability
57:10 - Submission to ESMA and Correcting False Narratives
01:09:21 - Bitcoin's Environmental Benefits
01:12:40 - Closing Thoughts
What a joke of an episode. Can't believe you'd have someone like this on such a great podcast. I still love your podcast but did this guess ever miss the mark. None of what he said was based on actual facts. Every single thing he said was an opinion which he played off as objective science based facts. I feel sorry he's been so brainwashed. He could have talked about how Bitcoin isn't actually harmful to the environment but he pretty much just denied climate change and said wind turbines don't actually make any electricity. Definitely lost a few brain cells with this one
That dashboard is amazing!
I love the strategies he uses to explain. I think I was overwhelming the people who I tried to explain how to get started to.
all I'm thinking all day is " Flex our monitoring muscles to weed out the bad actors" any one counted ??!
Great guests! Is the interviewer a 🤖?