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Amanda Seyfried, the lead actress of Hulu’s “The Dropout” and the show’s creator and showrunner Liz Meriwether join host Rebecca Jarvis for a wide-ranging conversation about the making of the Hulu limited series based on the ABC News podcast. Seyfried has been nominated for an Emmy in the category of Outstanding Lead Actress in a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie for her portrayal of Elizabeth Holmes, one of six nominations for the Hulu series this year.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Rebecca Jarvis sits down with Brad Mielke, host of ABC News’ “Start Here” podcast to talk about the conviction of former Theranos president Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani. Follow “Start Here” on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/2maaMIF), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/3nNbcBC), or wherever you listen to get the day’s top headlines every morning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
You may know the story of Emmett Till. But you might’ve never heard his story if it weren't for one woman: Mamie Till-Mobley. In a new three-part season of ABC News' "Reclaimed" podcast, host Leah Wright Rigueur explores who Mamie Till-Mobley was before she lost her son: a young girl growing up in Illinois. Rigueur traces Mamie's journey after Emmett’s death, and how she turned her grief into a movement that changed the course of American history. The first two episodes of "Reclaimed" are available now. To listen, follow the show on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/3zofsOC), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/3PSLBDU), Amazon Music (https://amzn.to/3tgHfNf), or wherever you like to listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The new Hulu limited series based on this podcast and starring Oscar-nominee Amanda Seyfried as Elizabeth Holmes is out now. And in case you missed 20/20’s behind-the-scenes look at the show, we wanted to drop it in this feed, so you can listen now. You’ll hear from the stars of the Hulu series and a member of the jury that convicted Elizabeth. And be sure to follow the 20/20 podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you're listening now for more true crime stories from ABC News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Verdict

The Verdict

2022-01-0545:4922

Three years after Elizabeth Holmes was charged with 11 counts of fraud, the verdict we’ve all been waiting for is finally in. After seven days and over 50 hours of deliberation, the 12 members of the jury -- one of whom gave us details that you’ll hear for the first time on this podcast -- found Holmes guilty on four counts. They were hung on an additional three. How did they reach these conclusions? And what happens next? What will affect Elizabeth’s sentencing, and how will the appeal process work in this case? Finally, what will the ripple effects be for Silicon Valley?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Closing Arguments

Closing Arguments

2021-12-2101:14:2826

More than three months, 32 witnesses and three juror dismissals after the criminal trial of Elizabeth Holmes began, attorneys for the prosecution and defense had the chance to make their final appeals with closing arguments. Who presented the most compelling case? What resonated most with the eight men and four women of the jury? Whatever the case, the fate of Elizabeth Holmes could be days away from being decided. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Defense Rests

The Defense Rests

2021-12-1455:3120

The testimony of Elizabeth Holmes continues this week, finally concluding after seven days. And in a surprising move, the defense calls no further witnesses, resting its case. So after three months and dozens of witnesses, who came out on top? Will the defense strategy pay off? Soon, both sides will have one last shot to make a case in closing arguments before 12 jurors decide the fate of Elizabeth Holmes.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Accusations and Evasions

Accusations and Evasions

2021-12-0701:12:4426

This week, the most jaw-dropping testimony in this trial yet. Elizabeth Holmes fights back tears telling the court she was raped when she was at Stanford and claims she was in an emotional and physically abusive relationship with her former boyfriend and Theranos COO Sunny Balwani, who firmly denies all allegations. Plus, the government begins its cross-examination, and while Elizabeth Holmes seemed to be able to recall her life in vivid detail throughout the defense’s questioning, her memories suddenly got more hazy, even non-existent, at times. Will the jury be thrown by the sudden evasiveness? And ultimately, will charges of abuse negate the allegations of fraud?   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Reframing the Narrative

Reframing the Narrative

2021-11-3050:4619

This week, Elizabeth Holmes returns to the stand, presenting herself as a confident CEO with a noble mission who also naively took experts at their word. She meticulously details how she built her business -- even admitting to having doctored those pharmaceutical documents -- but implies over and over again that she relied on information given to her by scientists, doctors and board members to solidify her understanding of where her company stood. Will it be enough to convince a jury that she had no intent to defraud investors? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In a monumental week in the trial of United States v. Elizabeth A. Holmes, the prosecution introduced its final week of witnesses before resting its case. Among them, a patient who received troubling results from a Theranos HIV test and a journalist whose damaging interviews with Elizabeth were played for the first time in court. And in a literal final-hour shocker, the defense called Elizabeth Holmes to the stand. Did the government bring its case home? Did Elizabeth begin to sway the jury? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Beginning of the End

The Beginning of the End

2021-11-1644:1928

In this episode, we hear from two Theranos lab directors -- one who never met Elizabeth or stepped foot into the company’s lab, another who ultimately voided more than 50,000 Theranos tests after a damning government inspection. And we hear from an irate investor who says Elizabeth Holmes cut off communication with him when he asked for basic information about the company. Plus, 10 weeks into the trial, with only 24 witnesses out of a possible 181 on the government’s initial list having taken the stand, we hear a surprising update from prosecutor Jeffrey Schenk: This week might be the prosecution’s last before it rests its case.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Patterns

Patterns

2021-11-0939:2127

Nine weeks into the criminal trial of Elizabeth Holmes, we’ve heard from dozens of witnesses -- Elizabeth’s colleagues, board members, investors, clients, scientists, accountants and corporate executives. It's impossible not to feel the repetition. We learn that a fake Pfizer memo wasn’t the only document Theranos falsified, and we’re introduced to a man with deep connections to many of the central players in Elizabeth’s orbit. Patterns in the prosecution’s questioning are beginning to become clear, and experts show us it’s all part of a greater plan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Investors

The Investors

2021-11-0242:5622

This week, we hear from high-profile companies and individuals who invested millions of dollars into Theranos, the prosecution reiterating that these investments were made on the basis of what they say was a pattern of misinformation, exaggeration and outright lies coming from Elizabeth Holmes herself. And we hear from a Pfizer scientist who speaks to the supposedly doctored Pfizer document that Theranos showed investors to help lure them in.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Therabros

The Therabros

2021-10-2637:1122

This week, we got a peek into how things at Theranos could at times be a full-on family affair. Elizabeth recruited her brother Christian to the company. He, in turn, recruited five of his Delta Tau Delta fraternity brothers to join him. The group would come to be known as “The Therabros.” We hear from one Therabro who would rise to the rank of Elizabeth’s lead of strategic operations. He interacted with VIP investors, board members, military officials and business partners, and revealed to the court what the government says was a disturbing pattern of misinformation.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Clients

The Clients

2021-10-1941:0819

Theranos’ biggest clients, Walgreens and Safeway, are on the stand this week, testifying to what exactly they say they were told before signing multimillion-dollar deals with the blood testing startup. In email exchanges, text messages and board presentations, the prosecution paints a picture of deception while the defense claims the industry giants should’ve known better. Plus, we hear from Sunny Balwani’s dermatologist of 15 years, who happened to also become Theranos’ lab director. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Crime and Punishment

Crime and Punishment

2021-10-1230:4518

This week, two jurors ask to be excused, citing stress around punishment and the responsibilities in deciding the future of Elizabeth Holmes. A young woman, with unusual ties to this case, gives her perspective as a trial observer, and a veteran Silicon Valley investor puts the Theranos saga in larger context.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Sounding the Alarm

Sounding the Alarm

2021-10-0536:2619

This week, we hear some shocking insights from a former Theranos lab director who says he tried to stop the train before it ran off the tracks. From failing machines to a lack of proficiency testing, he tells of the pressure he felt to vouch for tests while maintaining his integrity as a lab director. And he describes how he says he tried to delay the Walgreens launch, pleading with a “nervous” Elizabeth, who went forward nonetheless. But does an aggressive and lengthy cross-examination undermine his claims? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This week, a high-profile witness from Elizabeth’s superstar board of directors surprises the courtroom by taking the stand: 4-star general and former U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis. He speaks of being dazzled by the potential of Theranos’ devices on the battlefield and the disillusionment he felt when the full story came to light. Plus, we meet a patient whose Theranos test results led to a terrifying ordeal.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mystery Men

Mystery Men

2021-09-2135:2719

This week, we hear from Erika Cheung, one of the whistleblowers who originally set Elizabeth’s downfall in motion and who says she was subjected to disturbing intimidation tactics as a result. Legal experts analyze the success of each side’s opening arguments. And a mysterious man named “Hanson” causes quite the stir. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Setting the Stage

Setting the Stage

2021-09-1441:3931

Elizabeth, holding hands with her partner, Billy and her mother, Noel, breezes into the courthouse to hear opening statements in her financial fraud trial. The government and the defense set the stage, giving us a roadmap of how their sides of the case will unfold. The prosecution says this is a case about fraud, lying and cheating, while the defense paints a picture of an ambitious young woman trying to change the world. She made mistakes, they say, but didn’t break the law. And we hear from the case’s first witness: Theranos’ top ranking financial employee who has a lot to say about how Elizabeth may have misled investors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Comments (220)

Irene Wood

Why the music all the time? So annoying.

Jun 9th
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lil john

Funny how everything she does,she just bites other ppl styles..nothing original coming from her..what happen to being creative and unique..smh..

Apr 3rd
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Mar 31st
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Lesli Nelson

I liked the first episode, but I think she just wanted the credit for everything.

Mar 8th
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Charlotte Lomax

This podcast has been an absolute credit to ABC News. I feel slightly bereft now that it is finished. Please come back soon.

Jan 29th
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Ian Morris

Terrific series. Many congratulations to everyone involved. A complex story very well told.

Jan 27th
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anonymous777

The volume is inconsistent, is it intentional?

Jan 18th
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Scrone Ferreira

I haven't been so invested in a podcast in at least 5 years. Please notify me when the creators find a new topic to cover. it was well researched and written

Jan 15th
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Dianna W

I knew she would testify because she's a narcissist. i hope she gets what she deserves

Jan 13th
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BusyBee

Everyone episode executed excellently. Well done!

Jan 13th
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Dianna W

her reason for excluding unvaccinated people... that they would not trust the prosecution is a silly conclusion.

Jan 11th
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Curious

This podcast is so good! I just listened to three episodes in a row. This story is mind blowing. And I like how the information is presented.

Jan 8th
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Stephanie Womack

yesssss, I was up at 240 AM when this dropped. I checked all day!!! Thank you! 👍 Great!

Jan 5th
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Rene Romero

Rebecca you have done a amazing job doing this podcast, I hope is not the last

Jan 4th
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Gloria G

Guilty! regardless of the verdict. it pisses me off that the defense minimized the 3 patient errors. 1 is way too many!

Dec 29th
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Maurin Phillips

seriously...this scam artist needs to be locked up. no sympathy at all, no matter what she says.

Dec 20th
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Joan Heelan

Best podcast of 2021. Well done all involved

Dec 15th
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K C

So is she gonna be convicted? I'm cynical.

Dec 10th
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Staci BAMS

Anyone in healthcare, you know like actual workers not millionaire investors, know Holmes is full of shit. Convict her lying ass. The investors already lost their asses, sorry not sorry.

Nov 26th
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Stephanie Womack

I feel like it should be somewhere in the law that it's illegal for sociopaths to be able to testify testify only because the general population (jurors) doesn't know how to receive and sift through what is truth or not coming from their mouth. If you haven't had to work with one you don't know how strikingly manipulative they can be pulling the wool over anyone's eyes, and Overwhelmingly they make themselves appear to be a victim.

Nov 23rd
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