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Another quiet week in the world of rugby… The RFU dropped a bombshell when they announced plans to lower the legal tackle height in the amateur game from the shoulder line to the waist line; cue uproar from every corner... So, Tinds & Alex sat down to tackle the debate. They hash through the stats, data and views from across the game, with The Head of Game Development at the RFU, John Lawn to find out how and why the decision has been made. They’re also joined by Paul Milham and former Leicester Tiger, James Buckland, who’re both from Aylesbury RFC, one of hundreds of clubs who’ll be affected by the announcement.
Alex, Hask and Shane Horgan take a deep dive into the Heineken Champions Cup. How did a competition once viewed as the pinnacle of the northern hemisphere club game lose its lustre? What should it look like in the future? Should it stay traditional or become something completely new, like cricket's The Hundred? Joining them are the head coach of reigning European champions La Rochelle - and all round legend - Ronan O'Gara and the former Wasps Head Coach, and now Scarlets Backs and Skills coach, Lee Blackett.
Eddie Jones joins Hask and Alex to talk about his new role as Australia Head Coach. He also explains why he knew he was going to be sacked from his role with England, the effect it had on him and the prospect of the two sides matching up at the World Cup. We also hear from Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan on why he thinks Jones is the best coach in the world and their aims over the next 5 years as they approach two World Cups and a Lions Tour.
2022 was a massive year for rugby in England, the sport’s having a tough old time off the pitch, so Hask and Alex invited themselves to Twickenham for a coffee with the big dogs; the CEOs of the PRL and the RFU, Simon Massie-Taylor and Bill Sweeney. The boys manage to peel back the curtain of the goings on in the corridors of power, learn about the men behind the jobs, as well as Eddie’s dismissal, Borthwick’s ascension, Wasps & Worcester and the future of domestic rugby from the prem to grassroots. They talk Championship, Red Roses, Prem 15s, marketing, investment, sponsorship, broadcast deals and the global calendar… strap yourself in for a whistle stop tour of the problems and solutions in the game, as Bill & Simon see it. There’s no stone left unturned in this extended show.
Starting as we mean to go on, the boys catch up with the All Blacks record cap-holder and stand-in skipper; super Sam Whitelock. Payno and Hask get into New Zealand’s rollercoaster year & ask what was really going on as they lost 4 in 5 games. We find out about the Whitelock rugby dynasty and his own amazing rise from club rugby to the iconic black jersey in just 12 months. We get the low-down on some of his illustrious teammates, the story behind a rather strange photo with a former Prime Minister of New Zealand & Sam reveals an unlikely hidden talent that blows the boys away. Oh, and Hask goes full fanboy & recalls the time he crashed their 2015 World Cup winning celebration party.
Join the lads for one of the best nights of their live theatre tour, earlier this year; Cardiff with Scott Quinnell. The boys are aware they’re on Scott’s home turf, with the crowd on his side, so fireworks between Hask and SQ are inevitable. Rugby league, Wigan, the Lions, Jason Robinson, Shaun Edwards and the dynasty of legendary rugby players that makes up Scott’s family are all for discussion. Hask also relives how he almost donned a Wales shirt, Tinds remembers how he once ran out for Llanelli and they both recall the glory days (and embarrassing days) at a hostile Principality Stadium.
Welcome to another shambles of a Christmas special as the boys are in the studio with their Blackeye gin to look back on the year personally and in rugby and ahead to 2023 in which one of the team reckons France will bottle it in their own World Cup. Tinds talks about a heavy week or so down under after his jungle experience, we see the return of 'Japan Alex' as Hask and Tinds go to town on him after one G&T too many and we find out about Hask's stand-up escapades, would he jack it all in to be a comic - you bet he would if the cash was right! We also find out the amount it would take for Hask never to speak publicly again - a crowdfunding page has already been set up!
BONUS Episode: After his appearance on the show earlier this week Payno sat down with the brilliant Wayne Barnes to find out about the man behind the whistle. We find out his favourite ground and his childhood hero, if he still gets nervous and why Richie McCaw and John Smit are the best players he's refereed. We hear of a 'Tea Tour' around Samoa with the late great Peter Fatailofa (it wasn't tea they were drinking!) and about Wayne's love for musicals and amateur dramatics!
Just weeks after THAT game in France and THOSE tweets from Rassie Erasmus the brilliant Wayne Barnes joins Payno and Ben Keyser to talk about the backlash on social media in the aftermath of that Springbok defeat and how it's affected him and his family. He reveals that he cancelled the planned half-time celebration at Twickenham in recogonition of his 101 caps and whether he wants to carry on being a referee or not (SPOILER: He does!). It's not all serious though, we find out what his karaoke song is, if his picture is still in a New Zealand urinal and how he and his team escaped from the Principality after the World Cup QF win by France over the All Blacks in 2007.
The Lord of the Jungle, Tinds has returned from Australia so we had to get his thoughts on a tumultuous 10 days or so in English rugby with the Eddie Jones' sacking. In the 3rd of our GB&R: The Breakdown Tinds reveals why he thinks Jones was sacked, Hask is still fighting in Eddie's corner and Payno explains why we didn't have the counter balance to David Pembroke on last week's explosive show. Hask gets on his soapbox (again...) to rant about the media and Payno crunches the numbers, almost sending the boys into a spin!
And there he goes. Eddie Jones’ 7-year tenure as England Head Coach came to an end today. So, Payno spoke with the Australian’s right hand man, David Pembroke, who was texted by Eddie during the show! Pembroke launched a broadside against some of the English media, said that there was no ‘unrest’ in the England camp and that Eddie will be gutted to not take this group of players to the World Cup. Payno also speaks to the returning Hask, who pays tribute to the “best” head coach he’d ever had and both look ahead to a new era under Richard Cockerill and perhaps Steve Borthwick.
A slightly different offering for you today as Payno is joined by Wales and Lions legend Jamie Roberts to discuss Wales moving on from Wayne Pivac and going back to the heralded former head coach of twelve years, Warren Gatland. Jamie runs the rule of Pivac's tumultuous three-year tenure, looks ahead to Gatland's second stint with the World Cup just 10 months away and he talks about of the state of the game in Wales as players face an uncertain domestic future.
A huge show as Payno and Hask have their say on England’s poor Autumn Nations Series display. Hask defends his old boss in Eddie Jones and says he is still the right man to take the team to the World Cup. Vice-captain Ellis Genge joins the boys and gives his verdict on England’s results, has his say on the rumours of player unrest in the camp and talks about his move back home to Bristol. Payno and Hask are also joined by former Scotland winger Kenny Logan who pays tribute to his former teammate and great friend and a true rugby legend, the indomitable Doddie Weir, who sadly left us over the weekend after a courageous battle against MND. They talk about Doddie the player - the “mad giraffe”, Doddie the prankster who tormented Jim Telfer and Doddie the amazing campaigner who did so much good work for charity. If you want to donate to Doddie’s MND foundation head over to: https://www.myname5doddie.co.uk/
Payno, who’s feeling rather tender after the World Rugby Awards in Monaco, is joined by Hask and former World Cup winning Springbok Bob Skinstad in the studio where they congratulate our very own Ellis Genge and Emily Scarratt for their inclusion in the Dream Teams of the year. They hail 100-cap Owen Farrell and look back on England’s draw with New Zealand, asking if Marcus Smith did the right thing in kicking the ball out at the end of time. Bob runs the rule over Rassie Erasmus and his controversial tweets and has a strategy to revolutionise professional refereeing. Hask recounts the time he was used as a hitman against the Georgian pack in a training session and offers to be Eddie Jones’ henchman in the USA if the England Head Coach leaves for the Eagles top job post the World Cup, and, we find out why Bob is known as the Patrick Swayze of South African rugby!
The show goes on tour, well, sort of! Payno heads to England training HQ at Pennyhill Park to chat to [vice] captain Jack Nowell about the team’s rebound win over Japan at the weekend, Jack’s leadership status within the team, his thoughts on Ellis Genge’s new responsibilities and looks ahead to the All Blacks this weekend. They review Tinds’ budgie smugglers in the Jungle and also chat about the atmosphere at international grounds, no Hask you can’t DJ! Elma also welcomes Mo Hunt back into the fold, & the girls break down the Red Rose’s heartbreaking loss in the World Cup final on Sunday.
With Tinds hosting spiders on his head in the Jungle, Payno and Hask are joined by Scarlets and Wales legend Jonathan ‘Foxy’ Davies to break down an intriguing weekend in the Autumn Nations Series. The trio discuss the defeats for Wales and England and ask; why is Twickenham so quiet on match days? Hask comes up with a foolproof plan to improve the atmosphere on game day at HQ, so of course it involves him DJing and taking centre stage! We also get the latest from the Women’s World Cup in Aotearoa as the Red Roses make it to the final to face the Black Ferns, who dramatically scraped past the heartbroken French. There’s the return of Bin Juice and the boys make their predictions for this weekend, with Payno making some particularly rogue selections. Grab your exclusive NordVPN Deal by going to nordvpn.com/goodbadrugby . You’ll get a huge discount on your plan and 4 additional months for free! It’s completely risk free with Nord’s 30 day money-back guarantee!
Ahead of his stint in the jungle, the lads caught up with Mike to discuss his fears and feelings before heading to Australia. We also give him a call sign to let us know that he is thinking about the dream team. I'm a Celebrity gets underway Sunday 6th November.
With Hask away and Tinds in the Jungle, for once it’s a proper rugby show as Ben Kayser and Shane Horgan join Payno in the studio. The boys break down the intriguing Japan/New Zealand game with Shane suggesting that international teams are no longer scared of the All Blacks. They look back at Australia’s win over Scotland discussing Finn Russell’s absence and the effect it’ll be having on Blair Kinghorn, and, Ben recalls a couple of amazing stories about Sergio Parisse and the late great Christophe Dominici. They talk about Ireland and France’s status as the two best teams in the world and preview all of this weekend’s Autumn Nations Series games. We also get the latest from the Women’s Rugby World Cup with The Good, The Scaz & The Rugby’s Elma Smit who speaks to Wales flanker Alisha Butchers after they were knocked out of the tournament by the Black Ferns. Grab your exclusive NordVPN Deal by going to nordvpn.com/goodbadrugby . You’ll get a huge discount on your plan and 4 additional
Just the three in the studio and it is a veritable topic tombola as the boys discuss a mini-injury crisis for Eddie Jones’ England ahead of the Autumn Nations Series games and if Ellis Genge could be England’s next captain. They chat about training methods and if players do too much pre-game - of course Hask says they do. We get the latest from the Women’s World Cup with Red Roses’ Bryony Cleall and look ahead to Scotland vs Australia, asking why Finn Russell has been dropped from the squad. Hask reveals an amazing Chris Robshaw story after the former England captain announced his retirement and we delve into the murky life of a lower level Championship rugby player in our new feature, Bin Juice. EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/goodbadrugby Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!
S3 Ep4: The Wigan Wizard

S3 Ep4: The Wigan Wizard

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The boys have their say on Wasps going into administration and England’s squad for the Autumn Nations Series games. They are also joined by an absolute bonafide legend in both rugby codes - Shaun Edwards. He’s amassed 54 medals in his glittering career as well as 36 caps for Great Britain and another 3 for England, he’s a Man-of-Steel winner and captained Wigan in the crushing of Bath in the Cross Codes Clash. As a head coach he’s won the Premiership and Heineken Cup with Wasps, as the best defensive coach around he’s been on a Lions tour and won 5 Six Nations titles including 4 Grand Slams. We hear about the game that haunts Shaun the most, if he'd ever like to coach England one day, his karaoke skills and about the time he once used Hask’s head as an actual punch bag! EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/goodbadrugby Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!
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