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There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth.
The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative.
Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart case, work that helped form the basis of a new habeas petition. In Season One, she revisits the trial that made Smart a national villain—and questions everything we thought we knew.
Season Two, From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, pulls back the curtain on a case where a 26-year-old Air National Guard member reported a sexual assault—and ended up the one in handcuffs. What happened next is more than a miscarriage of justice. It’s a warning.
This is the space between the crime and the courtroom, the headlines and the hidden truth. This is The In Between.
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The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative.
Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart case, work that helped form the basis of a new habeas petition. In Season One, she revisits the trial that made Smart a national villain—and questions everything we thought we knew.
Season Two, From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, pulls back the curtain on a case where a 26-year-old Air National Guard member reported a sexual assault—and ended up the one in handcuffs. What happened next is more than a miscarriage of justice. It’s a warning.
This is the space between the crime and the courtroom, the headlines and the hidden truth. This is The In Between.
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The holidays are in full swing, so you'd think the news would slow down. It's not. It actually feels like it's ramping up. It's an advent calendar of true crime news on the daily and Mel and Rebecca are here to discuss and dish a little.
In this episode the team breaks down the back-and-forth in the O'Keefe civil suit against Karen Read, new information dripping out about the contents of Michael Proctor's emails, and who is affected by his misconduct, those photos of all the president's men (and women) in Vanity Fair, the Sean Goode suspension letter, data scraping the McAlberts fundraiser, Corri Hopkins is back with a bombshell about Nick Guarino's testimony, and JP Miller is indicted on federal cyberstalking charges in the death of his estranged wife, Mica Miller.
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In December 1993, a young man named Brandon Teena was trying to build a life in rural Nebraska—one built on truth, freedom, and finally being seen for who he was. Instead, he walked straight into a storm of transphobia, violence, and a criminal justice system that treated him like a joke rather than a victim. Days after reporting a brutal assault, Brandon, along with Lisa Lambert and Philip DeVine, was murdered in a farmhouse outside Humboldt.
In this deeply personal episode, Mel revisits Brandon’s life, the failures that led to his death, and the courtroom battles that followed. She also reflects on her own journey—coming out in homophobic Texas at seventeen, traveling to Nebraska to stand vigil at the trials, and recognizing the same chilling patterns in the recent death of Sam Nordquist.
This isn’t just a story about the past. It’s a warning that echoes forward.
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Rebecca and Mel had a lot to talk about today that weighs heavy on the heart, but luckily they also know how to take a hard left at a tangent and keep the laughter shining a light. This shit is tough to talk about. Thanks for being with us.
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Mega Something's Off episode with a few menopause breaks.
Mel and Rebecca are talkers...what can we say. 🤷🏻♀️ In this episode the hosts--who like to interrupt one another often--breakdown historic cases like OJ Simpson, Pamela Smart, and Matthew Shepard, while getting into the nuances of why the defense chose NOT to put on a case in the Brian Walsh Trial. We'll be on verdict watch starting (probably) tomorrow, but in the meantime, something's off...especially with all those Lowes and Home Depot buckets. WHERE ARE THE BUCKETS??
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In October 1998, 21-year-old Matthew Shepard was lured from a Wyoming bar, beaten, tied to a fence on the outskirts of Laramie, and left alone in the freezing dark for eighteen hours. His murder shocked the nation, ignited a global outcry, and reshaped the fight for LGBTQ+ rights in America. But behind the headlines and the legislation that now carries his name was a real kid — small, gentle, hopeful — who trusted the wrong people on an ordinary Tuesday night.
In this episode of The In Between, Mel Barrett reconstructs the final hours of Matthew Shepard’s life . She walks listeners through the investigation, the trials, the brutal arrival of Westboro Baptist Church, the angel-wing counterprotest that became legend, and the sweeping cultural and legal aftershocks that followed. And she asks the question many of us are wrestling with today: how did a nation that fought so urgently for justice in Matthew’s name find itself, decades later, drifting backward?
This is not just the story of a murder.
It’s the story of a movement, a mother’s resolve, a community’s grief, and a warning from history about what happens when we let the tide turn.
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Mel + Rebecca take a train to tangent city PLUS the new Turtleboy hearing v. Cosgrove where Cosgrove argues for emails verses hard copies, days 4+5 of the Brian Walshe Trial--including testimony from Ana Walshe's DC boyfriend, William Fastow...and vampire facials?
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Drama, drama, drama.
Mel + Rebecca try to parse the latest Turtleboy drama, while the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is back on their bullshit with the Kelsey Fitzsimmons case, and Mel takes you on a journey through the bonkers first three days of the Brian Walshe Murder Trial.
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It's been a long road, but we're finally here. Pamela Smart's attorneys are filing a petition of Habeus Corpus asking for a new trial or at the very least resentencing and they've given me access to the petition. I've been investigating Pam's case for going on a decade and some of the work I did on the first season of The In Between Podcast became the basis for this Habeus. I'm always so proud of the work I do on The In Between Podcast, but this case has been my white whale and I'm so honored to be apart of these arguments.
I want to share what I can with you, so without further adieu, here are the five points Pam's case will hinge on.
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It’s been more than thirty years since Pamela Smart, a 22-year-old media coordinator from Derry, New Hampshire, was convicted of plotting her husband’s murder. But the story isn’t over. In fact, it’s entering a new chapter.
Pamela’s legal team, led by attorney Matthew Zernhelt, has just filed a new habeas corpus petition — and some of the evidence behind it came directly from Mel's own investigation. Among the claims:
Inaccurate transcripts given to the jury — words allegedly spoken by Pam that were never actually audible on tape.
A defense attorney’s unauthorized admission of guilt, undermining her right to a fair defense.
Jurors influenced by the media, not the evidence.
Faulty jury instructions that failed to define deliberation and premeditation.
And a sentence—life without parole for an accomplice—that may have been unconstitutional under New Hampshire law.
Over the next few weeks, Mel will be breaking down these developments, including new expert findings from Marion Davidson and a Loyola University study confirming major transcript errors that went unnoticed for decades.
If you're a listening learner, you'll hopefully get a lot out of listening to Mel read you the new Karen Read complaint.
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In PART TWO of this mega episode--which was too big to upload, so I'm releasing it in parts--Mel + Rebecca break down Brian Walshe pre-trial updates, Karen Read's civil suit against Proctor, Bukhenik, Tully and the McAlberts, Corri Hopkins gets the sidebahs, Deitch is running for Morrissey’s job, Gaitani helps out Turtleboy, and Depetro reaches out to Rebecca.
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In PART ONE of this mega episode--which was too big to upload, so I'm releasing it in parts--Mel + Rebecca break down Brian Walshe pre-trial updates, Karen Read's civil suit against Proctor, Bukhenik, Tully and the McAlberts, Corri Hopkins gets the sidebahs, Deitch is running for Morrissey’s job, Gaitani helps out Turtleboy, and Depetro reaches out to Rebecca.
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Mel + Rebecca's coverage of the Karen Read Complaint starts at: 52:09
Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 5.5
Mel + Rebecca break down the final pre-trial hearing before the Dec 1 trial begins for Brian Walshe. We're back in Norfolk County and so are some of the characters from the Karen Read case. It gets SPICY.
AND Turtleboy responds to the Mcalberts threats.
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TRIGGER WARNING: Sexual Assault and DV.
Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 5
Mel + Rebecca break down the case of rapist, Jesse Butler, who received no jail time even though he almost killed one of his victims, PLUS more Proctor emails in the Marbury V Mad email dump, holy shit the Epstein Files, annnnd Lindsey Gaetani releases an audio memo from one of the conspirators.
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JESSE BUTLER ARREST AFFIDAVIT (WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT AHEAD): chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.newsnationnow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/108/2025/11/JESSE-MACK-BUTLER-FILES-REDACTED-2.pdf
JESSE BUTLER AND HIS SUPPORTIVE FAMILY STARING DOWN ONE OF THE VICTIM'S MOMS: https://oklahomawatch.org/2025/10/22/families-outraged-after-osu-officials-son-spared-prison-in-sexual-assault-case/
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Jesse Mack Butler was charged with raping and choking two girls at Stillwater High School. Eleven felonies. One girl thought she was going to die. And somehow—he walked. No jail. No detention. Just therapy, community service, and a ban on social media.
In this episode, Mel breaks down exactly what he did, what the victims survived, and how the system—judges, prosecutors, schools—chose to protect him. This isn’t a case of “he said, she said.” This is a case of “she said—and they still didn’t care.”
This one’s tough. But it’s the truth.
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Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 4
Mel + Rebecca break down the MarburyVMad (Corri Hopkins) MSP email dump from the Karen Read Trial and Mel breaks down the civil case of the 1st grade shooter who shot his teacher, Abigail Zwerner.
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When 36-year-old Sonya Massey—a Black mother of two—called 911 for help during a mental health crisis, she needed compassion. Instead, she was shot in the face by a white sheriff’s deputy in her own kitchen. In this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett walks listeners through the events of July 6, 2024, the bodycam footage that shook a community, the trial that followed, and the broader failures in policing, race, and mental health response.
We’ll hear from Sonya’s family, legal experts, and activists demanding change. This isn’t just one isolated tragedy—it’s part of a devastating pattern. And as we trace Sonya’s legacy through courtroom justice, community grief, and legislative reform, we ask: What does accountability really look like when someone dies after asking for help?
⚠️ Content warning: This episode contains detailed discussion of police violence, mental health crisis, and the fatal shooting of a Black woman. Listener discretion is advised.
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Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 3.5
Mel + Rebecca break down the preservation of Michael Proctor's messages and go on a deep dive into Samanthan Benigno's analysis of the 911 call Jen McCabe made at the scene of John O'Keefe's death. If you weren't already convinced the McCabes and Alberts had something to do with you, you might be after watching Sam's video. We'll link below.
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Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode Three
Mel + Rebecca get into allll the chaos surrounding Turtleboy and the other boys, updates on all things Karen Read adjacent, including Microdots, and we take a deep dive on the Kelsey Fitzsimmons case.
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On September 15, 2025, 21-year-old Trey Reed—a first-generation college student at Delta State University—was found hanging from a tree on campus. Within hours, his death was ruled a suicide. No investigation. No real answers.
But Trey’s family knew something was wrong. And the deeper you look, the more disturbing the picture becomes: missing surveillance footage, a mysterious belt with no buckle, a second autopsy showing blunt force trauma, and a chilling history of racially motivated violence in the very place Trey died.
In this episode, Mel Barrett examines the facts, the cover-ups, and the rising pattern civil rights leaders are calling “lynching by suicide.” This isn’t just about one case. It’s about the systems that keep failing Black families, and the voices demanding justice.
Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of suicide, racial violence, and harm to Black bodies.
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