The Recipe with Kenji and Deb

Eggs Benedict should really be called Eggs Benedict Arnold, because it will betray any shortcomings you have as a home cook. You should give it a go anyway. (Kenji: “You CAN and SHOULD make Eggs Benedict at home.”) Why? It’s a dish that all but the best restaurants get right, and you have all but three and a half minutes to shovel it in your mouth before the window closes for the perfect bite. So you may as well perfect it at home.What does perfect look like? Each element is prepared to its ideal temperature at the exact same time. Yolks “a river of liquid gold” while whites are perfectly set (and shaped like a “chaos mop” if you’re like Deb). English muffins are fork split, not sliced. Hollandaise sauce is an emulsion, which means you are trying to mix two ingredients that don’t want to be mixed, so yeah, you are literally fighting nature. Who will break first, you or the sauce? A delicious showdown for the ages.Recipes Mentioned: Foolproof Eggs Benedict (Serious Eats) Easy Poached Eggs (Serious Eats) How to Make Eggs Benedict the Classic Way (Kenji’s Cooking Show) How to Make Eggs Benedict for a Crowd (Kenji’s Cooking Show) How to Poach an Egg, Smitten Kitchen-Style (Smitten Kitchen) Spinach and Smashed Egg Toast (Smitten Kitchen Old-Fashioned, No-Knead English Muffins Recipe (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Crisp on the outside, custardy on the inside – this week we’re talking French Toast with special guest Christopher Kimball (Milk Street). Chris joins Kenji and Deb to banter about bread for longer than any podcast ever has (not fact checked) �“ and how each of them perfects this classic breakfast dish. Plus, Kenji dispels a myth about smoke points! Recipes Mentioned: Carmelized Cinnamon Sugar French Toast (Smitten Kitchen Keepers) Perfect quick and easy french toast (Serious Eats) French Toast, Perfected (Milk Street) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Deb and Kenji are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic episode from our friends at Sidedoor, "America’s Unknown Celebrity Chef". For more information, visit Sidedoor's episode page, and subscribe to Sidedoor on your favorite podcast player.****************************** When Lena Richard cooked her first chicken on television, she beat Julia Child to the screen by over a decade. At a time when most African American women cooks worked behind swinging kitchen doors, Richard claimed her place as a culinary authority, broadcasting in the living rooms of New Orleans’s elite white families. She was an entrepreneur, educator, author, and an icon – and her legacy lives on in her recipes. Today: her improbable rise to prominence, and her famous gumbo. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

If the only hummus you’ve ever had came from a cold tub procured at a supermarket, yeah...you haven’t really had hummus. Homemade hummus, served warm, is an experience unto itself, and 1000% a better snack than a dusty protein bar. Deb and Kenji also tell us how they really feel about flavored hummus. Recipes Mentioned: Ethereally Smooth Hummus (Smitten Kitchen) The Food Lab’s Science of Great Hummus (Serious Eats) Hummus Heaped with Tomatoes and Cucumbers (Smitten Kitchen) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

You’re really only technically eating a vegetable with broccoli cheddar soup — it is insistently not health food, but a giant middle finger to whoever invented the four food groups. It is a “you sure about that?” to the likes of President George HW Bush, who famously and controversially banned broccoli from Air Force One. Plus, we get to the bottom of broccoli vs broccoli rabe vs broccolini, and a broccoli dish to impress.Recipes Mentioned: Broccoli Cheddar Soup (Serious Eats) Broccoli Cheddar Soup (Smitten Kitchen) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Crispy chicken cutlets are endlessly adaptable to taste, so it’s no wonder they are a universal crowd pleaser. From Austrian schnitzel to Japanese katsu to Deb’s mother-in-law’s recipe that leaves out a classic ingredient, there are endless permutations of chicken, flour, egg, breadcrumbs + ??? to satisfy the pickiest eater (and most discerning home cook).Recipes Mentioned: Tonkatsu or Chicken Katsu (Serious Eats) Crispiest Chicken Cutlets (Smitten Kitchen) 5-Ingredient Fried Chicken Sandwiches (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Brownies are a diabolical(ly) good cross between cake and cookie. They taste sinfully rich and decadent, but they’re an angel in the kitchen (one bowl recipe alertl!) and they make your house smell like heaven. Plus, we hear Deb and Kenji’s recommendations for the best snacks for gossiping or watching reality TV.Recipes: Glossy Fudge Brownies Recipe (Serious Eats) Olive Oil Brownies (Smitten Kitchen) My Favorite Brownies (Smitten Kitchen) Best Cocoa Brownies (Smitten Kitchen) Blackout Brownie Waffle Sundae (Smitten Kitchen Every Day) Brownie Ice Cream Sandwiches (Smitten Kitchen) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Nachos were invented in a Mexican border town for a group of American ladies who lunch, and now they are considered food for the beer-drinking, football-cheering everyman. They can come piled high with twenty ingredients; a plate of nothing more than chips with melted Velveeta are also considered nachos. Whatever floats your tortilla, Kenji and Deb discuss ways to optimize every bite. Also, our Executive Producer Audrey Mardavich gets advice on how to slay the Super Bowl potluck.Recipes mentioned: The Ultimate Fully Loaded Vegan Nachos (Serious Eats) Corn and Black Bean Weeknight Nachos (Smitten Kitchen) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

If humanity’s gotten you down lately, just keep in mind that our species can’t be that bad… we did invent the meatball after all. This ingenious invention stretches an expensive ingredient by mixing it with pantry staples into a dish that can feed many more people than on its own, while being truly delicious in its own right. Think about it: when meatballs are what’s for dinner, or you see meatballs on the menu at a restaurant, don’t you automatically think, ooh meatballs? It’s practically a reflex by this point of human evolution, someone really ought to study this. Recipes mentioned: Everyday Meatballs (Smitten Kitchen) Perfect Meatballs & Spaghetti (Smitten Kitchen) Tender and Juicy Slow-Cooker Meatballs Recipe (Serious Eats) “I wanted meatballs so I made meatballs” (Kenji’s Instagram) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Quiet luxury has been all the rage the past few years, but our girl Onion Soup has been out here epitomizing that s**t for literally hundreds of years. A bag of onions, some butter to sauté it in, beef broth are really all you need; throw in some stale bread and grated cheese, and you’ve got a million-dollar taste for ten dollars and change. (AND it doesn’t take as long as you think. Ask Kenji and Deb.)Recipes mentioned: Essential French Onion Soup (Smitten Kitchen) Short Rib Onion Soup (Smitten Kitchen) Pressure Cooker French Onion Soup Recipe (Serious Eats) French Melt (Grilled Cheese With Caramelized Onion and Comté) Recipe (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

We are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic interview from our friends at Milk Street Radio.For more information, visit Milk Street Radio's homepage, and follow Milk Street Radio on Apple Podcasts. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

There comes a point in every New Yorker’s life when they venture outside city limits and learn, to their horror, 24-hour access to breakfast sandwiches via bodegas spaced two blocks apart is not the norm in the rest of the world. When Deb and Kenji start breaking down each component, you will realize that it takes a lot of skill and discernment to a) choose the right ingredients b) prepare them all to perfection at the exact same time. You will never take the humble BEC for granted again.Recipes mentioned: Bodega-Style Egg and Cheese Sandwich (Smitten Kitchen) Fried Egg Sandwich with Bacon and Blue Cheese (Smitten Kitchen) Better-Than-McDonald's Breakfast Sandwiches (And More Work, Too!) (Kenji’s Cooking Show) Radiotopia’s fall fundraiser is here! Donate today to support The Recipe. Thank you!  Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Chicken soup is the universal comfort food, but there are as many versions of chicken soup as there are planets in the universe. Depending on where and how you grew up, versions as varied as “Jewish penicillin”, phở gà, stracciatella, Campbell’s condensed all mean home to someone.Recipes mentioned: Chicken Noodle Soup (Smitten Kitchen) My Ultimate Chicken Noodle Soup (Smitten Kitchen) Chicken Soup: A Poem (Serious Eats) How to Make Chicken Noodle Soup (Kenji’s Cooking Show) Radiotopia’s fall fundraiser is here! Donate today to help us reach our goal of 2,024 donors. Thank you! Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Congratulations are in order for Deb, who released the audiobook of Smitten Kitchen Keepers earlier this month. We are proud to share with you a little excerpt.Back in 2006, when she was just starting her food journey, she encountered a lot of dud recipes on the internet. (Haven’t we all?) This book is a collection of the ones you’ll want to return to over and over again, aka the keepers.You can purchase a hardcover version at our page on bookshop.org, and a portion of the sale will go towards supporting our network.The Radiotopia fundraiser is happening now! Donate today. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Things we learn in this episode: Kenji has a not-so-secret secret ingredient for can’t-miss pie crust, Deb is not allowed at Thanksgiving without her pie, the birthplace of Kenji’s love of junk food, the ideal baking apple, why American apple pie reigns supreme.Recipes mentioned: Apple Pie (Smitten Kitchen) Even More Perfect Apple Pie (Smitten Kitchen) Gooey Apple Pie (Serious Eats) Perfect Apple Pie (Serious Eats) Radiotopia's fall fundraiser is happening now! Visit radiotopia.fm/donate. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Deb and Kenji are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic episode from Home Cooking, our fellow Radiotopia show about food.****************************** According to our callers, a big part of Thanksgiving seems to be making food for your loved ones that you only kind of like yourself. But can we make these dishes a little better for the people cooking them?! We’re gonna try. Plus, Demi Adejuyigbe (@electrolemon), tells about his quarantine baking adventures.For recipes, transcripts, and more, visit homecooking.show/12. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Kenji and Deb are major, MAJOR fans of popcorn — “God’s gift to snacking” (two guesses who said that). One might actually call them a miracle of science. How does a hard af, yellow pebble turn into a fluffy white edible cloud? How does movie popcorn butter smell so heavenly without any butter? This is Popcornology 101, class is now in session.Recipes mentioned: Spicy Caramel Popcorn (Smitten Kitchen) Miso Black Sesame Caramel Corn (Smitten Kitchen) Late Night Popcorn with Chorizo and Pecorino (Kenji’s YouTube) Why I Love My Whirley Pop, the Ultimate Popcorn-Popping Product (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Kids say the darndest things, and so do Deb and Kenji. “Nobody likes penne.” “Chiffonade is pretentious.” “I have honestly no idea what my recipe contains.” And they’re not the only ones. There are people out there who call baked ziti — get this — lasagna. While baked ziti may be universally loved as a workhorse of catered buffets, potlucks, and meal trains, Deb and Kenji’s takes on the dish are worlds apart.Recipes mentioned: My Old-Scholl Baked Ziti (Smitten Kitchen) Easy Skillet Baked Ziti With Sausage and Ricotta Recipe (Serious Eats) The Food Lab's No-Boil Baked Ziti Recipe (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

In this episode, Deb and Kenji stop being polite and start getting real. Turns out, they weren’t born with encyclopedic knowledge of food; before each recording session, they consult…Wikipedia. (Stars, they’re just like us.)You may think of Caesar salad as the most ubiquitous of American salads. In fact, Caesar salad was invented in Mexico. However, it was invented by an American for Americans coming across the border to drink during Prohibition. Come to think of it, that may just be the most American thing ever. Also in this episode: the secret behind Worcestershire sauce and a hack for a quick Caesar dressing. Fax, no printer.Recipes mentioned: Roberta’s Roasted Garlic Caesar Salad (Smitten Kitchen) Chicken Caesar Salad (Smitten Kitchen) The Best Caesar Salad (Serious Eats) Kale Caesar Salad (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Deb: “This is the perfect sandwich.” Kenji: “This is my favorite sandwich of all time.” In fact, Kenji has gone way beyond just admiring and ingesting the Bacon-Lettuce-Tomato; as Isaac Newton captured the physical world with his laws of motion, Kenji has bestowed us with the 11 rules of the BLT. Deb has made her own significant contributions to the field of sandwich science, with the theory of seasonal variation of the summer BLT and "off-season" BLT.Recipes mentioned: Runny Egg BLT Sandwich (Smitten Kitchen under Five Egg Sandwiches) The Best BLT Sandwich (Serious Eats) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices