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Erica Chidi is joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Matt Richtel, author of Inspired: Understanding Creativity—A Journey through Art, Science, and the Soul. They talk about where creativity comes from, how to harness it, and why the creative process is often embedded with fear. Richtel explains that the fear begins early—around the fourth grade—when kids start internalizing what society deems as right and wrong. They close by discussing the value of mind-wandering and why creativity matters. “It is nature’s way of encouraging us to break through the status quo,” says Richtel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Phillip Picardi is known in part for his work as an award-winning journalist and editor. He rebranded Teen Vogue (where he became the chief content officer at age twenty-six) and he launched and founded Them, a community-driven platform for LGBTQ+ youth. After years of working in journalism, Picardi decided to go back to school—Harvard Divinity School, where he just received his master’s degree in religion and public life. In this episode, GP and Picardi talk about why he decided to re-examine his relationship to Christianity, the duality between his identity and his faith, and what galvanizes his beliefs today. They end with a game: Picardi puts GP to the test with Pride Month trivia questions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Who Is Wellness For?

Who Is Wellness For?


In Fariha Roísín’s book, Who Is Wellness For, she explores how wellness culture has been distilled and commodified from the cultural traditions of Black, Brown, and Indigenous people. Today, she joins Erica Chidi to discuss her path through wellness, how we can care for ourselves and be in relationship to one another, and how we can invest in both individual healing and the collective well-being of our planet and our people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
“I teach people how to put themselves aside and listen and respond with generosity,” says therapist Terry Real. “Our culture doesn’t teach us how to do these things. We have to learn them.” In this open conversation with GP, Real explains why individualism and patriarchy has damaged our ability to be in healthy and loving relationships. They talk about why it’s important for couples to take each other on, and Real shares his honest advice for how we can shift ourselves, our partners, and our collective culture toward more openness and compassion. Real’s new book, Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is out today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Kourtney Kardashian joins GP to talk about what shaped her life before she and her family ever appeared on television. They discuss blended family dynamics, what Kardashian turns to her husband Travis Barker for, the one thing she regrets being filmed, and how she and GP feel about the comparisons that have been made between goop and poosh. P.S. If you haven’t heard, the pair also teamed up to create a limited-edition candle—and it’s called This Smells Like My Pooshy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
“The last eight years I shifted into another gear,” says Cameron Diaz. “I went in and did some really deep, personal healing.” In this conversation between two friends, GP and Diaz talk about the mechanisms they use for self-protection, why aging is a mindset, and how they’re approaching their fifties together. Diaz explains why she’s given herself permission to honor her instincts and how GP finally convinced her to be a mother. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Kelly McDaniel is a licensed professional counselor and the author of Mother Hunger: How Adult Daughters Can Understand and Heal from Lost Nurturance. In this conversation, McDaniel joins cohost Erica Chidi to talk about the experience of yearning for maternal love. McDaniel explains how this type of longing impacts our sense of self and other types of relationships as we become adults. “Depending on what we each did to earn our mother’s love—what we end up doing is duplicating that with friendships, in romantic partnerships, and sometimes at work,” says McDaniel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
In this special episode, psychotherapists and collaborators Barry Michels (New York Times–bestselling coauthor of The Tools) and Kristan Sargeant guide us through exercises designed to help us connect with our shadow. The shadow, as they explain it, is an often maligned part of your personality that has the potential to change your life in unexpected ways. “You can have intimacy with a part of yourself that you've been judging, abandoning, neglecting, denying,” says Sargeant. “That allows you to take on challenges and take risks and actualize on hunches and inclinations and dreams and desires that are percolating inside of you but you can't quite find the courage or clarity to pull the trigger on.” To go deeper, check out the week-long workshop Michels and Sargeant are hosting this July. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
GP catches up with her good friend, actress and author Ali Wentworth. They chat about their daughters (they're best friends), and GP asks Wentworth for advice on how to cope when Apple leaves for college. Wentworth shares what has fueled her marriage over the years, and she explains how humor became her currency growing up and how she uses it during dark times. After you listen, preorder Wentworth's hilarious new book, Ali's Well that Ends Well, which comes out May 10. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Alok Vaid-Menon is a writer, performer, public speaker, and the author of Beyond the Gender Binary, which examines gender fluidity and why the binary hurts us all. Vaid-Menon joins GP to discuss their journey as a nonbinary artist, how they’ve reclaimed their peace, and why it’s important to become familiar with your pain. “It’s actually through doing this intimate work of self-discovery and self-acceptance that we unlock a deep sense of community and interconnectivity. That’s what happened in my life,” says Vaid-Menon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
GP is joined by a new friend, author Fanny Singer, for a special conversation (originally hosted by Book Passage) about Singer's book Always Home. They talk about what it was like to both grow up with famous mothers (Singer is the daughter of Alice Waters, the food icon and chef behind Chez Panisse). And Singer shares why she’s finally given herself permission to engage with her mother’s work. They chat about the connection between art and food, where they find beauty, and what cooking—and sharing—a meal means to them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Edwina von Gal is a landscape designer and the founder of the Perfect Earth Project and Two Thirds for the Birds, two nonprofits raising awareness around the positive environmental impact of low-intervention lawns and bird-friendly landscapes. In this conversation, von Gal joins GP to discuss what we can do to take care of the ecosystems that we often overlook in our own backyard. “Nature is not really messy,” says von Gal. “Nature is highly complex. And the more you begin to read that complexity, that more you learn about it.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Kimberly Johnson is a trauma educator, somatic guide, and the author of Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It For Good. She shares practices for understanding—and befriending—our nervous system. And she explains her approach to unpacking what our body is telling us, how sound can be used for healing, and why simple things (such as moving your body or connecting with others) can be therapeutic. “Our tendency is to believe that everything is a ‘me’ problem when it’s actually a ‘we’ problem,” says Johnson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
“For me growing up, the dark skinned women who had a spotlight or were celebrated had to be exceedingly, almost super humanely beautiful,” says culture and film critic Zeba Blay. “You couldn’t just be a pretty dark skinned Black girl.” In Carefree Black Girls, Blay explores the impact Black women have had on popular culture throughout history—and how pop culture has shaped Black womanhood. In this conversation, Blay and Erica Chidi talk about representation and colorism in Hollywood. Blay also explains what it means to be a carefree Black girl, where joy comes from, and why she decided to speak openly about mental health. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
In Sacred Rest, Saundra Dalton-Smith, MD, proposes the idea that there are seven different types of rest. Dalton-Smith says that sometimes the reason we can’t seem to replenish our energy is because we aren’t getting the kind of rest we need. In this episode she explains the characteristics of each and talks with GP about how to maintain healthy boundaries around work, relationships, and technology. “If you’re not intentionally filling back up, that’s probably a place of deficit,” says Dalton-Smith. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
“We're really indoctrinated with the idea that mental health issues are this genetically determined chemical imbalance,” says holistic psychiatrist Ellen Vora. “And that plays a role. I don't deny that, but it's not the whole story.” Vora’s new book, The Anatomy of Anxiety, explores holistic strategies for supporting our mental health, from nutrition to sleep to herbs and supplements. She joins Erica Chidi to talk about identifying what’s at the root of our anxiety, why it’s a whole-body condition, and the connection between menstrual cycles, hormones, and anxiety. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
“So often I see women come into nonmonogamy better equipped to have difficult conversations,” says Jessica Fern, author of Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma, and Consensual Nonmonogamy. Fern is a psychotherapist who specializes in providing support for individuals, couples, and people in multiple-partner relationships. She joins Erica Chidi to discuss what makes nonmonogamy work. They talk about attachment theory, how it relates to nonmonogamous relationships, and how to develop a secure relationship—with yourself, for starters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
GP is joined by award-winning actor, singer, director, composer, and playwright Billy Porter. In this intimate and vulnerable conversation, Porter tells pieces of his life story—the moment he challenged himself to live authentically, what’s inspired his art, therapies he’s found useful in a nonlinear path toward healing, roles that have been difficult and joyful. Please note this episode covers sexual abuse that may be triggering for some. Please take care while listening. For more from Porter, see his memoir Unprotected. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Kathleen Nadeau is a clinical psychologist and the founder and director of the Chesapeake Center for ADHD Learning and Behavioral Health in Maryland. She joins GP today to discuss how ADHD is often overlooked in young women and girls and why she believes that the name, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is a misnomer. Nadeau explains how symptoms can differ between boys and girls, why women aren’t diagnosed as early as men, and she shares her advice for how parents can support their children through ADHD and beyond.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Erica Chidi is joined by spiritual teacher and #1 New York Times–bestselling author Gabby Bernstein. Bernstein’s new book, Happy Days, explores her journey navigating through trauma and the path that led to healing. In this conversation, Bernstein talks about what it means to feel safe in your body, how to build a framework for excavating your inner wisdom, and her tools for identifying and processing triggers. After you listen, preorder Bernstein’s book, which comes out on February 22. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
Comments (68)

Katie Herzog

Good morning, I was really excited to listen to the interview with Kimberly, about the body healing it’s self. When I realized the topic of Somatic Healing was involved, I was over the moon! Kimberly was very interesting to listen too, but the content and conversation back and forth was extremely confusing. I might need a Somatic Healing 101, prior to a re-listen. Maybe a session for another day? :)

Apr 9th

N Yangzom

Great episode!

May 8th


Gwyneth, I really love your podcasts, I just subscribed. I laughed with you and brené. Take care, hope you and yours are well

Feb 21st

Lori Daly

I used mistletoe/ fever therapy to shrink and kill a tumor in my breast and heal my body from cancer... in addition to radically changing my perspective of life. ✌️💜 thanks for sharing this great topic with people.

Aug 18th

bob caygeon

This podcast smells like garbage truck juice in July.

Jul 5th
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Brittany Edwards

got a little lost on this one.. first goop podcast I did not follow.

May 29th

Robert Aviles

the bat shit madness going on here is insane.

May 22nd

Lori Daly

Elise, All the issues brought up in the book are not the result of Trump's presidency. Your repetitive attempts to relate everything to Trump are obvious. You should have taken the same approach to alcohol and drugs when they were mentioned as a factor in the downfall of these people. In this country we spend so much time talking about how the government can help people, yet at the same time we watch as the alcohol industry destroys lives. Maybe that's the public policy that needs to change. Stop blaming every single problem going on in this country on one human being. It's ignorant. Also, the author said it himself, a lot of the jobs went away because of globalization which is the exact opposite of what Trump's trying to do. To bring manufacturing back to this country so that we have jobs for American people. I also listen to your podcast on narcissistic behavior and in that you mentioned Trump as well. I agree that he can be a pompous ass but that does not mean he does not have the best interest of the American worker in mind.

Apr 22nd

Haley Farmer

This is the cutest podcast ever. I loved it so much ❤️❤️

Apr 9th



Apr 4th

Lori Daly

The downside to everybody adopting pets right now because they're home is what do they do with the pets when they go back to work? so I worry about in a month from now if everybody's dumping adopted pets on the street.

Apr 1st
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Lori Daly

wow. And the hoops we have to go through to get mistletoe approved by the FDA so that it can be standard of care meanwhile it's a plant and it's been used in Europe for over 100 years not to mention using cannabis as medicine which I know we're making headway but the fact that it's not legal get all these toxic pharmaceuticals are and the horror that is the whole section on menopause just blew me away... it's time to go back to homeopathic alternative natural ways of living always and forever. thank you for This podcast. would like to see more on this. would love to see the end of drug ads on television oh my God what a horrible miscarriage of justice to our society.

Mar 12th

Kristin Fisher

Thank you, Gwyneth, Eckhart and everyone who made this podcast possible!! ❤❤❤

Feb 16th
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Alidra Alić

Thanks for info 🙏🏻 I was wondering if the soy mentioned is not regular soy, but soy made on fermented natto beans?

Feb 4th


Really good episode! I love how she as super honest and calling out things I don’t here from others at all 💪🏼

Feb 2nd

Tamara Lynn

Hello Gwyneth What is this stuff you & yr cronies write about?! In the REAL World most of us regular humans CAN NOT afford 1 or any of yr so~called formulas, puts, ect... Please come back down to Earth be sensible! Good Grief you say ' You are Authentic' but this so~called Goop is not. Consumers are not just about $$$

Nov 24th

D'Kota HintonLouis

Love this!!! So informative

Oct 5th

Tracey Duke

Fascinating interview but, in the context of the conversation, I was convinced all the way through that Elise's story of how she met Malcolm was indeed a wind up & a lie! Great interview!

Oct 1st

Bee Stone

Did she actually say "architected"??? So ridiculous.

Sep 14th

David Zysk

sim sum salabin

Aug 5th
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