Vision Pros

Ethan Sherbondy is the developer of Mahjong Space and at work on several other visionOS apps. Mahjong Space was built with Spatial Personas in mind and is an amazing one to add to your visionOS app library if you are looking for more Spatial Persona games. The bulk of this episode was recorded before Apple surprise released Spatial Personas. We were able to record a special segment about Spatial Personas after Apple released that feature as a part of visionOS 1.1.We cover a ton of ground in this episode including the community aspect of developing for visionOS. Ethan is currently at VisionDevCamp and attended both GDC and a month long visionOS developer residency where he was able to collaborate with other visionOS developers during the launch month of this new platform. Early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon.Early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get early access to both Vision Pros and iPad Pros!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://twitter.com/sherbondyhttps://www.mahjong.spacehttps://www.irylan.comhttps://visiondevcamp.org/visiondevcamp-winnershttps://f.inchttps://dreamxr.cohttps://testflight.apple.com/join/Fc48B6ABhttps://www.boxtree.ggChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:42: Support the Podcast00:02:04: Ethan Sherbondy00:06:52: Headsets00:14:28: visionOS00:18:16: 2 month check-in00:30:18: VisionDevCamp00:32:57: Month long residency00:37:10: DreamsXR Hackathon00:41:51: Spatially app00:45:09: dot dot dot00:48:10: Collaboration00:54:56: GDC01:02:52: Mahjong Space01:10:09: Spatial Personas (Before Launch)01:12:29: Spatial Personas (ARE HERE!)01:35:23: Mahjong Space Wrapup01:36:07: Duel Space01:42:30: Uploading Your Own Card Decks01:43:42: Apple Pencil01:44:05: Volumetric? 01:44:54: Spatial Personas (facial expressions)01:45:52: Board Games?01:47:59: visionOS 2 hopes01:54:41: Anything else?01:57:29: Where can people follow you online?01:57:42: @sherbondy01:58:13: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam Lisagor is the founder of Sandwich, a creative advertising studio and production company. In this episode we discuss visionOS, Apple Vision Pro, and dive deep into Television. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2024/02/13/ep-395https://sandwich.cohttps://sandwich.visionhttps://mastodon.social/@adamlisagorhttps://twitter.com/adamlisagorChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:09: Support the Podcast00:01:33: Adam Lisagor00:08:45: Sandwich00:11:01: 1 Month In00:14:19: New Top Strap00:17:33: Apps?00:23:49: Audio00:24:25: Early Oculus00:26:22: Battery Pack vs iPhone 2G00:26:48: Synology apps00:27:41: Final general thoughts 00:28:39: Favorite Video app?00:32:51: VFX work in visionOS?00:35:55: Final Cut Pro for visionOS00:40:15: 180 degree video?00:46:52: Locking in place00:47:35: Television00:54:17: Aspect Fill vs Stretch00:56:47: Television 1.1 and 1.201:00:50: Using the YouTube approach for other services?01:05:16: The different TVs01:12:46: Get info?01:18:18: VNC app01:18:48: Weirdest TV01:20:54: Queue?01:22:50: Modern TVs01:24:50: More models?01:26:41: Filters for the video?01:29:01: Your lighting on the TVs?01:30:25: Interactions01:32:40: Wonderwall01:35:11: Switching between TVs01:35:43: 3D content01:38:14: Flow vs Standard mode01:42:36: File management01:44:12: Anything else?01:45:07: Where can people learn more?01:46:48: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Christian Selig is the developer of Juno. In this episode, we discuss our first month with the Apple Vision Pro and dive deep into Juno. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://christianselig.comhttps://juno.visionhttps://mastodon.social/@christianseligChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:03: Support the Podcast00:01:20: Christian Selig00:04:05: Excitement for visionOS?00:05:10: The trip to New Hampshire00:10:39: A month in00:19:53: Other uses of Apple Vision Pro? 00:20:53: Eye Tracking00:24:29: Reddit00:25:46: Easter Eggs00:28:42: Environments for Movies00:29:32: Comfort?00:34:19: 3rd Party Apps00:39:27: visionOS 200:41:38: Apps you wish existed?00:43:55: Audio00:46:52: Multiple Videos Playing 00:49:12: 3D Printed Stand00:57:02: Accessories?00:59:02: Juno01:01:55: Where did the name come from?01:05:55: Bringing YouTube to visionOS01:11:48: Aspect Ratio01:13:59: Accidental Input and Learnings from the Apple Vision Pro01:16:28: Version 1.101:20:53: Drag and Drop01:25:54: Environments01:31:13: 180 Videos01:34:57: Autoplay and Playlists01:37:15: Features you want to add, but can't?01:39:46: Spatial Videos01:40:41: The next version01:41:20: Pixel Pals01:44:11: Anything else?01:44:51: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sigmund Judge began his Apple TV coverage in 2015, and has gone on to cover Apple, tvOS, and Apple Originals across video, written articles, and podcasts. Inspired by storytellers and innovators, Sigmund is also the co-host of Magic Rays of Light, a weekly podcast exploring the diverse world of Apple TV. Sigmund is based in England and flew to Cupertino for the launch of the Apple Vision Pro. In this episode we discuss his time with the Apple Vision Pro including his flight back to England with the headset. We also discuss using Apple Vision Pro in a hospital environment with limited hand mobility. There is also great discussion on using the Apple Vision Pro as an entertainment device and what some of the best experiences are so far!Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://mastodon.screentimes.net/@sigmundhttps://www.macstories.net/author/sigjudge/https://www.macstories.net/magic-rays-of-light/Chapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:23: Support the Podcast00:01:43: Sigmund Judge00:10:25: OpticID Tip00:11:16: Going to America00:21:56: 93 Year Old Using Apple Vision Pro 00:28:03: The Flight Home00:38:41: The Movies Anywhere Situation00:44:08: Ergonomics of Computing00:49:31: Envirornments00:54:42: visionOS apps01:00:23: iPad apps01:01:17: The Mac01:05:33: SharePlay and Audio01:07:40: HDMI01:09:42: Utility Apps01:10:45: Volumetric Apps01:15:01: The Cameras01:19:15: 2 Weeks in01:21:46: Closing01:24:48: Favorite 3D movies01:26:51: Wrap-up01:29:16: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kevin Pfefferle is a developer and joins the podcast to discuss his first week with the Apple Vision Pro. Early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon.Early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://hachyderm.io/@kpfefferlehttps://github.com/kpfefferleChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:17: Support the Podcast00:01:37: Kevin Pfefferle00:08:54: Expectations vs Reality00:13:12: Kid's reactions to Apple Vision Pro 00:14:42: Video Capture00:16:49: Web dev work00:18:33: 3rd party apps00:22:01: iPad apps00:24:12: Window management00:25:28: Audio00:27:46: FaceTime calls00:29:53: Comfort00:31:34: Working in different rooms00:33:10: Envirornments 00:35:28: Smaller windows00:36:30: Eye tracking00:38:34: Little utility apps00:40:26: Gestures00:42:05: Anything else?00:47:11: Travel Case00:50:44: The Future00:54:51: Wrap-up00:55:10: Where can people follow you online?01:00:08: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apple Vision Pro is here! Wes Hilliard from Apple Insider joins the podcast to discuss his time with the headset so far.Make sure to check out Wes’s review on Apple Insider: https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/02/08/apple-vision-pro-early-review-a-peek-into-the-future-of-computingThis episode was recorded with Personas using StreamYard in Safari on visionOS. You can watch that at YouTube.com/@iPadProsPodcast where the core unedited interview is. We did each record our audio on local separate mics that you will hear in this audio version. The video version we used AirPod Pros to capture our audio; so you can hear the difference there if you are curious.Early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon.Early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXzBaqqGBc&t=7sChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:03:00: Support the Podcast00:03:24: YouTube.com/@iPadProsPodcast00:04:07: Wes Hilliard00:08:31: Pickup experience00:11:36: Bands00:13:49: The Travel Case00:15:05: Data Usage00:16:51: Runestone and iPad apps00:17:59: Gaming00:20:12: The App Store00:22:50: Find My00:23:04: Control Center00:23:21: Envirornments/Audio00:24:11: Power usage00:26:08: Universal Clipboard00:27:29: Text Selection00:29:25: Shortcuts00:29:50: Transparent Walls00:31:47: Darkness00:33:03: Environments00:35:30: 3D Movies00:37:05: Immersive videos00:39:32: Wall mounting00:41:52: Multiple windows from same app00:43:48: Contacts00:45:28: Apple Watch unlock00:45:44: Smart Lenses00:46:09: Displays00:50:35: The Lenses00:54:41: Can you see light?00:56:00: Real world vs visionOS world01:00:50: Video capture01:04:32: General app thoughts01:08:48: Bluetooth accessories01:10:33: Full work days in Apple Vision Pro01:17:16: Eyesight01:17:58: Final thoughts01:21:19: Closing01:22:05: Preshow Persona Chat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Note: This episode was recorded before Apple announced the preorder and launch details of Apple Vision Pro. Oliver Weidlich is Director of Design and Innovation at Contxtual. We discuss his design work in spatial computing that predates Apple’s unveiling of visionOS by several years. We also dive into his experiences with other headsets including the HoloLens and the Magic Leap 1/2. This episode is sponsored by Glisten. Glisten is the "Good Listen" podcast app for Language Learners. It's all you need to immerse yourself in a language, on the path to becoming fluent. Learn more at www.glisten.ist. Download Glisten now for iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon.Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://mastodon.social/@oliverwhttps://www.contxtu.al/spatialcomputinghttps://www.thisishcd.com/episode/oliver-weidlich-creating-immersive-experiences-with-spatial-computinghttps://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10269051https://www.aweasia.com/blog/oliver-weidlichChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:49: Support the Podcast00:02:32: Oliver Weidlich00:07:00: Unlimited apps00:10:33: What have you designed in the past?00:11:28: What headsets have you tried?00:18:26: Magic Leap00:21:31: Outdoors00:22:16: Your first experience 00:23:46: Hololens00:26:30: Apple's potential00:29:14: Sponsor - Glisten00:30:51: What has your team been working on?00:35:30: Unity00:36:31: Buying AVP in Australia00:36:49: Spatial Computing00:38:36: API Limits00:42:34: Year to year upgrades00:45:54: Interaction Methods00:50:25: ARKit apps in visionOS?00:52:21: AR Research Paper00:56:32: AI00:58:57: Australia01:00:29: What questions do you want Apple to answer?01:02:46: Anything else?01:07:00: Where can people follow you online?01:08:02: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

James Swiney from Pixel Art Games is hard at work bringing Void-X to the Apple Vision Pro. Void-X is out now for iOS and Apple Watch if you’d like to try it out before it launches next year on visionOS. We cover a ton of ground in this episode about gaming’s potential on visionOS, developing games for visionOS, is SpriteKit actually supported, launching a visionOS app from Australia (where Apple Vision Pro won’t be available), and much more!This episode of Vision Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://www.jamesswiney.com/https://mastodon.social/@jamesswineyChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:30: Support the Podcast00:02:07: James Swiney00:04:12: Reliefband00:06:23: Dedicated VR controllers00:10:16: Void X00:13:34: Room effects00:15:45: AR Games00:18:40: Multitasking?00:22:43: The Boss00:24:59: Favorite Bullet Hell Shooters?00:26:14: Input00:29:14: Haptics in external controllers?00:30:32: Sponsor: Agenda 1800:33:13: Using the Apple Vision Pro00:39:31: Soundscape00:41:57: Releasing an app when you can't get the hardware?00:44:33: Onboarding00:46:36: Multiple Fully Immersive Apps?00:47:56: What apps are you most excited to try?00:52:28: SpriteKit00:56:18: How'd you get into game dev?01:01:27: Art Assets?01:04:30: 3D Ships?01:07:08: HDR01:07:53: Anything else?01:12:31: More info?01:13:01: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Clarko is the developer of Symbolsaurus and is fresh off his experience with the Apple Vision Pro at one of the many developer labs. As you can imagine those labs are not for public discourse, but as you can tell by the runtime of this episode that does not stop us from diving deep into the potential for visionOS and how we see spatial computing changing how we work. We also discuss at length his app Symbolsaurus that he is in the process of porting to visionOS.This episode of iPad Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon/.Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://www.symbolsaurus.comhttps://mastodon.social/@clarkoChapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:27: Support the Podcast00:02:17: Clarko00:05:27: Interface Designer00:08:23: Current Hardware Setup and Gaming00:14:20: Apple Vision Pro00:17:40: Vision Pro Labs00:18:09: 20 Years from Now00:24:48: Pleading the 5th00:26:37: What can you share about the physical device?00:28:41: Eye Control Ramifications00:37:26: Text Selection?00:39:44: Multiple Audio Sources?00:40:44: iPadOS vs visionOS00:44:48: iWork and 3D Printing/Sculpting00:47:23: Capturing Scenes for Vision Pro00:48:32: The Gestures00:52:40: Any other general thoughts?01:02:33: Sponsor - Agenda 1801:04:53: Symbolsaurus01:12:10: Sharing the symbols from the app01:16:04: Where are these used?01:18:09: Origins of the app01:19:17: Designing for Apple Vision Pro01:21:01: How AVP became a primary target01:24:11: 3D Symbols?01:26:11: The size of visionOS01:27:15: Feature Complete?01:29:47: Input in visionOS01:32:52: Multiple Windows per App?01:37:06: Filing cabinets and BT accessories01:38:18: Collections01:38:51: Anything else about your app?01:40:06: What visionOS apps do you hope get made?01:42:28: Final thoughts?01:44:48: Where can people find you?01:45:21: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Bart Busschots is the host of Let’s Talk Apple and Let’s Talk Photography. He is also a bi-weekly contributor to the ‘Chit-Chat Across the Pond’ segment on the NosillaCast. In this episode we discuss how the Apple Vision Pro is different from other headsets, the concept of the “infinity screen”, paradigm leaps, how he believes he will use the Apple Vision Pro, and much more. This episode of Vision Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://www.bartbusschots.ie/Chapter Markers:00:00:00: Opening00:01:16: Agenda00:01:41: Early Access00:02:01: Bart Busschots00:04:59: Other headsets?00:06:32: Something different00:09:13: An Infinity Screen00:11:14: Privacy Baked In00:12:10: Paradigm Leaps00:14:59: Many Form Factors00:20:35: Best Version 1 Ever? 00:23:44: Windows at a distance00:25:44: Tapping windows? 00:26:30: Adornments 00:33:05: Sponsor - Agenda00:34:57: Your Office Setup00:42:52: Does visionOS replace anything?00:53:14: Gestures00:59:32: Input01:01:59: Eye Health01:02:40: 3D Elements01:07:47: How do you think you'll use Vision Pro?01:11:09: IO01:13:59: Closing Thoughts01:15:16: Where can people find your work?01:15:57: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ken Case is the CEO of the OmniGroup and has been there as a developer for the launch of many platforms including the iPhone, iPad, and Mac OS X. In this episode we dive into Ken’s thoughts on visionOS, Apple Vision Pro, and headsets in general. We also reflect on some past platform launches and how that might relate to the future of visionOS. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://mastodon.social/@kcasehttps://www.omnigroup.comChapter Markers: 00:00:00: Opening00:01:31: Support the Podcast00:02:07: Ken Case00:05:17: The Omni Group00:07:52: New Platforms00:09:41: Unlimited Space00:11:00: Successful Platforms00:12:46: Different Form Factors00:13:38: Other Headsets00:15:29: iPad or Bust00:17:11: Constraints00:20:21: Tabletop Virtual Controls00:23:03: 3D Graphics00:25:29: Windows in Different Rooms00:28:09: VR only apps?00:31:45: Working in Different Places?00:32:41: Ornament Windows00:33:50: Multitasking00:35:19: The Simulator00:36:58: Default Distance00:39:40: A Different Kind of Headset00:40:47: What are you most excited for?00:42:02: Early iPhone Days00:43:46: OmniFocus Now in Swift00:44:47: The Mac in visionOS00:46:35: What visionOS could replace00:47:59: Anything else?00:50:13: Eye Tracking00:51:00: Accessories00:51:48: The First Omni app for visionOS?00:52:58: More info?00:53:20: https://mastodon.social/@kcase00:53:50: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Devin Davies is the developer behind the awesome recipe organizer and meal planner app Crouton. He is already hard at work at adapting his iPad version of the app to visionOS and discovering some cool concepts like floating timers that you can place on the item you are cooking. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: https://crouton.apphttps://mastodon.social/@JustMeDevinChapter Markers: 00:00:00: Opening00:01:16: Support the podcast!00:01:47: Devin Davies00:03:39: Crouton00:06:46: Live at WWDC00:07:53: Apple Vision Pro00:09:23: Developing in Vision Pro00:10:20: Ergonomics00:11:26: Vision Pro Outdoors00:12:45: Replacing the Mac?00:15:21: The Form Factor00:17:16: SDK and Simulator00:18:50: System Apps00:19:58: Settings app00:20:22: Surprises in the Simulator?00:21:05: Design Considerations00:22:04: Object Recognition 00:23:44: visionOS limitations00:24:29: Data Entry00:25:55: UI Navigation00:26:59: Multiple Timers00:30:39: Combustion Thermometer 00:31:29: 3D Elements?00:33:29: Anything else about visionOS?00:34:52: New app ideas?00:39:19: Anything else about Crouton?00:40:03: Universal Apps?00:41:10: Starting from an iPad app00:42:38: No Turn by Turn00:42:54: Wrap-up00:43:09: Crouton.app00:43:15: On Mastodon00:43:49: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Chance Miller is the editor-in-chief at 9to5Mac and was one of the first people in the world to try the Apple Vision Pro. We dive into what his experience was like using visionOS and what his hopes are for his own uses when Apple Vision Pro launches in 2024. You can also hear how Chance uses the iPad Pro to get work done and his experiences with iPadOS 17 in episode 176 of the iPad Pros Podcast; available at www.iPadPros.net. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia! New episodes of the bonus shows release the first week of every month. Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm.Links: VisionPros.fmhttps://mastodon.social/@ChanceHMillerhttps://9to5mac.com/2023/06/05/hands-on-apple-vision-pro-mixed-reality-headset/Chapter Markers00:00:00: Introducing Vision Pros00:02:10: Introducing Chance Miller00:02:34: Support the Podcast00:02:59: Chance Miller00:04:01: Working on the Vision Pro?00:07:21: USB-C port on battery pack00:09:44: Entertainment00:12:39: Gestures00:13:46: Augmented Reality 00:15:34: Night Performance 00:17:07: Lenses and Headbands00:19:20: Outdoor use?00:21:14: Places you would work in Vision Pro?00:23:26: Apple Pencil?00:25:25: Haptics00:30:22: The best V1 Apple product?00:32:24: Wrap-up00:33:26: Closing Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A trailer for the Vision Pros Podcast; launching July 20th, 2023. Available now for Patreon supporters and subscribers in Apple Podcasts. Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia! New episodes of the bonus shows release the first week of every month. Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at tim@visionpros.fm. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.