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FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. 


He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism.


In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Coming March 25, 2025.


This series was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.

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‘White Hot Hate’ follows the extraordinary case of a Canadian journalist who infiltrated an international neo-Nazi extremist network. Host Michelle Shephard explores the rise of white supremacist accelerationism: the ultra-violent ideology that drives believers to create chaos, in order to seize ultimate control.
A tipster reveals that Patrik — who talked about derailing trains and setting off explosives — was a member of the Army Reserve. Does the military have a problem with neo-Nazis in its ranks? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
Outed as a member of The Base, Patrik Mathews disappears. His abandoned truck is discovered near the Canada-U.S. border. He could be heading to a training camp. But what exactly are they training for? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
Coming March 25, 2025. FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Hear all episodes early and ad-free by subscribing to CBC True Crime Premium.
After chatting online, it’s FBI undercover Special Agent Scott Payne's first in-person meeting with The Base. Alone. Now he just needs to convince the international neo-Nazi network that he's one of them.To hear all episodes of White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse right now, ad-free, subscribe to CBC True Crime Premium on Apple Podcasts.
How does a young, self-proclaimed redneck end up becoming one of the most storied undercover agents of our time? We trace Agent Payne’s path from a satan-worshiping southern high school student, all the way to becoming a “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.” 
Scott Payne is a big, intimidating, Harley-riding guy. He’s the perfect choice to infiltrate the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. For him, it’s a dream assignment - getting inside an international criminal organization whose arch-rival is the Hell's Angels. Then, things go bad. Really bad. 
Scott is deep undercover in the Outlaws, becoming close friends with members of the dangerous biker gang. But you can only get so deep for so long. And now Scott is at risk of losing everything: his marriage, his body and his mind.
Scott re-enters the life of an undercover agent with a new assignment: infiltrate a chapter of the KKK. With white supremacist violence on the rise, he finds himself in the middle of a field in Alabama - about to join the Klan. 
Comments (16)

adam meredith

People have praised many US Presidents, in spite of their malicious drone strikes, murdering innocent children and adults. I'm not equivocation what the man said to this, as far as the Christchurch massacres, but this sounds like selective outrage to me. That shooter has a lot less blood on their hands thrn Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump...

Aug 29th
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Hartigan

This podcast kills brain cells.

May 23rd
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rocko

as opposed to black kids going after those not of their race because "Black Lives Matter?" go fuck yourself

Feb 27th
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Melissa

Yeah because all kids go through a Nazi phase. 😂 Like What?

Feb 26th
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Winter Wonderlandiful

as a Native American and quarter Black and a quarter English i find this offensive as Ffck i hate this anti hate hate bullshht ffck you and those who support this crap

Feb 12th
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Garret Delaurier

This is anti-Christian, anti-white propaganda. If it were any other race or religion, it would taken down for being a hate crime. Congratulations for being a hypocritical podcast. Good luck building a following talking about hate in a hateful way.

Dec 4th
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red snflr

did China fund this cutural marxism?

Nov 27th
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Melissa

"Save your race" How about just love and respect one another and their race won't matter. We're all just human.

Nov 2nd
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RubyDuchess

How can you be asking basic questions like "does the military have a neo-nazi problem"? Obviously it does, this group literally named themselves after Al Qaeda after they returned from fighting overseas! There are loads of soldiers who've snapped pictures of Nazi flags hanging at overseas bases, smdh

Oct 29th
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