06.17.25 Ask An Advisor With Wes Moss
Digest
This podcast episode covers key aspects of early retirement planning. It begins by explaining the 72(t) rule, which allows for early IRA withdrawals without penalty if specific conditions are met, namely taking substantially equal periodic payments (SEPP) for at least five years or until age 59 1/2. The episode emphasizes that this requires professional financial advice due to its complexity. The discussion then shifts to the importance of finding joy in retirement, highlighting research indicating that happy retirees engage in five or more "core pursuits" (hobbies and passions) for approximately 18 hours per week. These pursuits often include creative activities, adventure, volunteering, and social interaction. Finally, the podcast addresses listener questions on various retirement planning topics, such as IRA to 401k rollovers, Roth IRA contributions, managing retirement savings during market volatility, and the role of immediate annuities and whole life insurance. The episode provides insights and considerations for each of these questions, emphasizing the need for personalized financial planning.
Outlines

Early Retirement Strategies and Finding Fulfillment
This section explains the 72(t) rule for penalty-free early IRA withdrawals (requiring professional guidance) and the importance of engaging in multiple "core pursuits" (hobbies) for a fulfilling retirement (5+ pursuits for ~18 hours/week).

Listener Questions & Retirement Planning Advice
This segment answers listener questions about retirement planning, covering topics such as IRA to 401k rollovers, Roth IRA contributions, managing retirement savings during market volatility, and the suitability of immediate annuities and whole life insurance.
Keywords
72(t) Rule
IRS code allowing early IRA withdrawals without penalty; requires substantially equal periodic payments (SEPP).
Substantially Equal Periodic Payments (SEPP)
Withdrawal method under 72(t) rule for penalty-free early IRA access.
Core Pursuits
Hobbies and activities contributing to a happy retirement (5+ for ~18 hours/week).
Roth IRA
Retirement savings account with tax-free withdrawals in retirement.
Early Retirement
Retiring before the traditional retirement age.
Retirement Planning
Strategies and considerations for financial security in retirement.
IRA Rollover
Transferring funds from an IRA to a 401(k) or other retirement account.
Immediate Annuity
Financial product providing guaranteed income for life.
Q&A
What is the 72(t) rule, and how does it work?
The 72(t) rule allows early IRA withdrawals without penalty by taking substantially equal periodic payments (SEPP) for at least five years or until age 59 1/2. It's complex and requires professional help.
What activities contribute most to happiness in retirement?
Research shows happy retirees engage in 5+ "core pursuits" (hobbies, passions) for about 18 hours a week, often involving creative activities, adventure, volunteering, and social interaction.
Should I roll my IRA into my 401k?
Depends on your age and 401k plan features (fees, investment options). Consider the benefits of each account type.
Is purchasing whole or variable life insurance a good idea?
Generally not, unless you're ultra-wealthy or need a business buyout plan. Term life insurance is usually more cost-effective.
Show Notes
Secret Rule To Access Your IRA Early and Top 9 Things That Bring Joy in Retirement
If you want to retire early, this rule can help! Fiduciary financial advisor Wes Moss breaks down the often-misunderstood Rule of 72(t). Discover how this IRS exception can allow you to access your IRA funds before age 59 ½ without incurring that hefty 10% early withdrawal penalty. Also, Wes dives into groundbreaking research on what truly brings joy and purpose in retirement. Wes shares surprising (and not-so-surprising) truths from his latest study of over 1,200 Americans. He reveals the top categories that consistently lead to a more purposeful and joyful post-career life.
Plus, Christa shares your #AskWes questions and Wes gives his take. All this and more on the June 17, 2025, Ask an Advisor episode of the Clark Howard podcast. Submit your questions at clark.com/ask.
We hope you enjoy our weekly Ask An Advisor episodes, in which Christa and Wes discuss investing and retirement savings in depth. Let us know what you think in the comments!
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