#264 - Inside the Most Dangerous Cartel Territory on Earth | Cartel Journalist, Kat Szulc
Digest
This podcast features journalist Katarina, who details her harrowing experiences reporting on Mexican drug cartels and the fentanyl crisis. She describes her career path, starting at a small radio station and eventually freelancing in Mexico, where she faced numerous challenges, including financial difficulties and safety concerns. Katarina vividly recounts her daily life in Culiacán, Sinaloa, a cartel stronghold, describing encounters with dead bodies, narco-blockades, and interactions with corrupt military personnel. She highlights the deep-seated corruption within the Mexican government and the normalization of violence. The podcast also covers a recent attack on a news outlet and the kidnapping of a newspaper delivery man, underscoring the extreme dangers faced by journalists in Mexico. Katarina defends her choice to present raw, unfiltered footage, emphasizing the importance of emotional connection to the realities of violence. She discusses the fentanyl crisis, its transnational nature, and her interview with a Sinaloa cartel member operating in Canada. She details her methods for verifying information, including on-the-ground interviews and visits to a fentanyl lab. The podcast concludes with a discussion of evolving cartel recruitment tactics and the impact of the Sinaloa cartel war on ordinary citizens, including the economic downturn, job losses, and widespread violence affecting even tourist areas. The podcast also touches upon the link between cartel activities and the humanitarian crisis at the US-Mexico border, highlighting human trafficking and the overall dangerous environment for journalists in Mexico.
Outlines

Introduction, Career Path & Early Influences
The podcast introduces Katarina, discusses her career journey from small radio to freelancing in Mexico, citing inspirations and early interest in cartel coverage.

Pivotal Case and Freelancing Challenges
Katarina recounts a significant case impacting her decision to cover cartels, and details the initial challenges of freelancing in Mexico, including financial struggles and safety concerns.

Reporting Methods and Daily Life in Culiacán
Katarina explains her methods for finding stories (using Facebook), and describes a typical day in Culiacán, highlighting the constant threat of violence and normalization of death.

Corruption, Violence Against the Press & Impunity
Katarina discusses deep-seated corruption, providing examples of military allegiance to cartels and the desensitization to violence. She recounts attacks on the press and the lack of government response.

Raw Reporting, Relatability & the Fentanyl Crisis
Katarina defends her raw reporting style, discusses the challenges of making audiences care about distant tragedies, and connects the fentanyl crisis across borders.

Sinaloa Cartel's Canadian Operations & Verification Methods
Katarina details her interview with a Sinaloa cartel member in Canada, explains her information verification methods, including on-the-street interviews.

Inside a Fentanyl Lab & Changing Cartel Recruitment
Katarina recounts her visit to a Canadian fentanyl lab, describing conditions and the casual attitude towards safety. She discusses the evolving face of cartel recruitment.

El Mayo Zambada's Downfall & The Sinaloa Cartel War
The podcast discusses El Mayo Zambada's arrest, exploring surrounding circumstances and theories. It examines the ongoing Sinaloa cartel war and its devastating impact.

Border Crisis, Human Trafficking & Future Projects
The podcast explores the link between cartel activities and the US-Mexico border crisis, highlighting human trafficking and violence. It concludes with a discussion of future projects and risks.
Keywords
Cartel Journalism
Investigative journalism focusing on drug cartels, their operations, and societal impact.
Narco-Blockades
Roadblocks set up by drug cartels, often involving violence.
Transnational Organized Crime
Criminal activities transcending national borders.
Culiacán
A city in Sinaloa, Mexico, known as a Sinaloa Cartel stronghold.
Sinaloa Cartel
One of the most powerful drug cartels in Mexico.
Fentanyl Crisis
A public health emergency caused by widespread fentanyl abuse.
Femicide
The killing of women because they are women.
Freedom of the Press
The right to gather and disseminate information without censorship.
El Mayo Zambada
A high-ranking leader of the Sinaloa cartel, recently arrested.
Human Trafficking
The illegal trade of human beings for exploitation.
Q&A
What are the biggest challenges you face as a journalist covering cartels in Mexico?
Constant threats to safety, navigating corruption, and the emotional toll of witnessing violence.
How do you maintain your mental and emotional well-being?
Katarina acknowledges the difficulty but emphasizes the importance of her work and giving a voice to victims.
What is the role of the Mexican government in the cartel problem?
Katarina argues the government is deeply corrupt and often complicit with cartel activities.
What advice would you give to aspiring journalists?
Thorough preparation, building trust with sources, understanding the cultural context, and self-care.
Why has the Sinaloa cartel shifted its fentanyl operations to Canada?
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How does Katerina verify the information she gathers?
Katerina uses interviews, on-the-ground observation, and independent verification.
What are the main theories surrounding El Mayo Zambada's arrest?
Theories include El Chapo's orchestration and El Mayo using his arrest as a pawn.
What is the connection between the Sinaloa cartel and the US-Mexico border crisis?
The cartel controls much of the illegal border crossings, profiting from human trafficking and smuggling.
What are the risks involved in the journalist's work?
Significant risks including death threats, kidnapping, and violence. She mitigates these risks through careful planning and awareness.
Show Notes
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(***TIMESTAMPS in the description below) ~ Katarina Szulc is a Mexico-based freelance journalist focused on reporting on Cartel Activity.
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****TIMESTAMPS****
00:00 - Katarina Getting into Journalism, Mayor of Sinaloa & New Female President Controversial
16:11 - Katarina’s First Journalist Job, Reporting on Child Murders (Heavy Story)
25:09 - Moving to Mexico to Report on Cartels, 1st Time Reporting on Cartels
32:45 - First Female President (Cartel Associated) Story
38:14 - History of the Mexican Cartel, Mayo vs Chapitos Cartel Turf War
44:17 - Typical Day for a Cartel Journalist in Sinaloa Territory, Ruining Citizen's Lives
58:38 - Chapito’s Cartel (White Hat) Openly Corrupt Police/Military
01:01:33 - News Outlet Shot Up Story, Corrupt Politicians in Mexico Targeting Journalists
01:14:02 - Cartel Sensational Violence and Widespread Network, Canada’s Drug Issues
01:22:27 - Cartel Workers Who Leave (Why?), Source Who Knew El Mayo Was Done
01:29:03 - Cartel Entering Canada & Current Canadian Border Crisis, Investigating Trap
01:38:14 - Canadian Dr&g Mule Controversy, Matt Cox & Threshold for Crime, Luis Navia Greatest
01:52:07 - Recruiting Cartel Smugglers, Fentanyl Ink Book, Chinese Influence in America/Canada
02:01:06 - Most Desirable Dr&gs on the Market, Cartel’s Pushing this Drug!, Carl Hart
02:11:13 - Who Was El Mayo
02:22:03 - Leaf Lets Cartel Story (Hotline Number), CIA Connection
02:32:41 - Atrocities of Border Smuggling & Multiple Bodies, The Future of the Cartel Business
02:39:41 - Katarina’s Future Journalist Work
CREDITS:
- Host, Producer, and Editor: Julian Dorey
- In-Studio Producer: Alessi Allaman - https://www.instagram.com/allaman.docyou/
Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 264 - Katarina Szulc
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