DiscoverThe Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast#492 Hair and Nails with Helena Pasieka MD MS
#492 Hair and Nails  with Helena Pasieka MD MS

#492 Hair and Nails with Helena Pasieka MD MS

Update: 2025-07-21
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This podcast episode delves into the assessment and treatment of hair loss, presenting several case studies to illustrate various conditions and treatment approaches. It begins with an introduction to the guests and a brief overview of the episode's focus. A 19-year-old female patient (Kerry) is presented with significant hair loss, leading to a discussion of telogen effluvium, diagnostic testing (CBC, ferritin, vitamin D, TSH), and treatment options. Ten years later, Kerry returns with hair thinning, itchy scalp, and nail changes, prompting a discussion on differentiating seborrheic dermatitis from psoriasis and the risks of acrylic nails and UV exposure. Kerry's mother's case highlights androgenetic alopecia, treatment options (spironolactone, oral contraceptives, finasteride, hair transplantation), and the dangers of unproven online treatments. A 45-year-old male patient with patchy hair loss leads to a discussion of alopecia areata and discoid lupus erythematosus, emphasizing the importance of cultural factors and thorough history taking. The podcast further explores the diagnosis and treatment of alopecia areata, including topical steroids and JAK inhibitors. Finally, the episode concludes with key takeaways emphasizing cultural sensitivity, understanding different hair types, appropriate treatment approaches, realistic patient expectations, and the importance of evidence-based practices.

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00:00:00
Introduction: Hair Loss Assessment and Treatment

Introduction to the podcast, Patreon ad, and introduction of guests (Drs. Frankuato, Nelson-Williams, Grant, and Pashaca). Overview of the episode focusing on hair loss assessment and treatment, including case studies and various treatment options.

00:01:12
Case Study 1: Young Woman with Hair Loss (Telogen Effluvium)

A 19-year-old female presents with significant hair loss. Discussion covers history, physical exam, differential diagnosis (telogen effluvium), investigations (CBC, ferritin, vitamin D, TSH), treatment, and patient counseling (16-week timeframe for results).

00:04:28
Case Study 2: Follow-up and Nail Conditions

Kerry (now 29) presents with hair thinning, itchy scalp, and nail changes. Discussion focuses on differentiating seborrheic dermatitis from psoriasis, thorough dermatologic exam, and risks of acrylic nails and UV exposure.

01:06:39
Case Study 3: Androgenetic Alopecia and Online Treatments

Kerry's mother presents with androgenetic alopecia. Discussion covers patient counseling, hormone testing, treatment options (spironolactone, oral contraceptives, finasteride, hair transplantation), and risks of online treatments.

01:15:05
Case Study 4: Patchy Hair Loss in a Middle-Aged Man

A 45-year-old man with patchy hair loss. Differential diagnoses (alopecia areata, discoid lupus erythematosus) are explored, highlighting the importance of cultural factors and patient history.

01:19:30
Alopecia Areata: Diagnosis and Treatment

In-depth discussion on the diagnosis and treatment of alopecia areata, covering various treatment options (topical steroids, JAK inhibitors), patient communication, and managing expectations.

01:23:46
Conclusion: Key Takeaways and Patient Communication

Key takeaways emphasize cultural sensitivity in hair assessment, understanding different hair types, appropriate treatment approaches, realistic patient expectations, and evidence-based practices.

Keywords

Telogen Effluvium


Diffuse hair thinning, often temporary and triggered by stress or illness.

Androgenetic Alopecia


Male or female pattern baldness, caused by genetics and hormones.

Alopecia Areata


Autoimmune disease causing patchy hair loss.

Seborrheic Dermatitis


Itchy, flaky scalp condition.

Scalp Psoriasis


Chronic inflammatory skin condition affecting the scalp.

Minoxidil


Topical medication for hair loss.

Finasteride


Medication inhibiting testosterone conversion to DHT.

Hair Loss Treatment


Various treatments for different types of hair loss.

Patient Communication


Importance of clear communication and realistic expectations in hair loss management.

Q&A

  • What are the key differences between telogen effluvium and androgenetic alopecia?

    Telogen effluvium is diffuse thinning, often temporary; androgenetic alopecia is pattern hair loss, often permanent.

  • What blood tests are typically recommended for investigating hair loss?

    CBC, ferritin, vitamin D, and TSH.

  • What are the first-line treatment options for telogen effluvium?

    Addressing underlying causes, ensuring adequate nutrition, and possibly topical minoxidil.

  • How should seborrheic dermatitis and scalp psoriasis be differentiated?

    Seborrheic dermatitis has yellowish, waxy scales; psoriasis has silvery, dry scales, often with pinpoint bleeding.

  • What are the risks associated with using finasteride?

    Decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, and decreased sperm count.

  • What are some common misconceptions about online hair loss treatments?

    Many lack scientific evidence and may be unsafe.

  • What are the key differential diagnoses for patchy hair loss?

    Alopecia areata, discoid lupus erythematosus, and traction alopecia.

  • How should alopecia areata be managed in primary care?

    Potent topical steroid for single, small patches; referral to dermatology for more extensive cases.

  • What are the crucial aspects of patient communication regarding hair loss?

    Cultural sensitivity, realistic expectations, and evidence-based treatment guidance.

  • What are some resources for learning more about hair care and hair loss?

    Textbooks on hair care and websites like DermNet and UpToDate.

Show Notes

Combing through common dermatologic complaints in Primary Care



Hone your framework for assessing generalized and patchy hair loss and learn how to counsel patients about the hair loss advice they hear on social media. We discuss useful tests and treatments, psychosocial factors in relation to hair loss, variations in hair types and mention relevant nail conditions. 



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Show Segments






  • Intro

  • Examination of hair and nails, ethnic hair types and cultural hair styles and practices.

  • Lab tests- clinically useful tests, and those to avoid

  • Telogen Effluvium

  • Scaly itchy scalp, seborrheic dermatosis, psoriasis

  • Androgenic alopecia and age-related hair loss

  • Topical and oral treatments

  • Examining the nails, conditions related to nail polishes and prosthetics

  • Patchy hair loss, alopecia areata, Discoid Lupus Erythematosis

  • Dr Pasieka’s take home points

  • Outro





Credits






  • Written & Produced by: Kate Grant MBChB, MRCGP

  • Show Notes, Infographic & Cover Art : Kate Grant MBChB, MRCGP 

  • Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP   

  • Reviewer: Leah Witt MD

  • Showrunners: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP

  • Technical Production: PodPaste

  • Guest: Helena Pasieka MD MS





Disclosures



Dr. Pasieka reports no relevant financial disclosures. Dr. Pasieka’s views are her own and do not represent those of her employer or the department of defense. 



The Curbsiders report no relevant financial disclosures. 



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