#763: Margaret Atwood and Boyd Varty
Digest
This podcast episode features a conversation with Boyd Varty, a lion tracker, storyteller, and wildlife activist. The episode begins with a discussion of Varty's childhood on the Londolozy Game Reserve and his family's pioneering spirit. Varty emphasizes the importance of tracking as a metaphor for life, requiring patience, observation, and a deep understanding of the natural world. He shares his experience of spending six weeks alone in a tree in nature, highlighting the profound connection he felt with the natural world and the transformative impact of solitude. Varty also recounts a near-death experience involving African bees, emphasizing the importance of respecting nature and the power of collective consciousness. He discusses the importance of presence and energetic communication when encountering wild animals, particularly lions, and the potential for a conversation of death that doesn't always end in death. Varty reflects on his healing journey after experiencing trauma, contrasting his approach with that of his mother and sister. He emphasizes the importance of finding a structure of meaning and purpose in healing. He describes a transformative experience in a sweat lodge ceremony, where he confronts his past traumas and experiences a profound connection to nature and his own healing. Varty shares a story about Lawrence Funderpast, a poet and artist who found solace in nature after the war, and his own encounter with a leopard in a fire, highlighting the power of letting go and allowing ourselves to be taken to places we can't reach alone. He discusses the importance of nonverbal communication in healing, drawing on his experiences with equine therapy and wolf sanctuaries, where animals have a profound impact on people's emotional well-being. Finally, Varty recounts a humorous story about a presentation he gave at a Silicon Valley company, where a technical malfunction led to him roaring along with a silent lion on a screen, highlighting the importance of embracing the unexpected and going all in.
Outlines
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Margaret Atwood on Speculative Fiction and Growing Up in the Woods
Tim Ferriss interviews Margaret Atwood, discussing her writing process, her childhood in the woods, and her thoughts on the future of storytelling.
Boyd Varty: Lion Tracker, Storyteller, and Healer
Tim Ferriss interviews Boyd Varty, a lion tracker, storyteller, and wildlife activist. They discuss Varty's childhood on the Londolozy Game Reserve, his family's pioneering spirit, and the importance of tracking as a metaphor for life.
The Profound Encounter with Nature, The Bees and the Near-Death Experience
Boyd shares his experience of spending six weeks alone in a tree in nature, highlighting the profound connection he felt with the natural world and the transformative impact of solitude. He recounts a near-death experience involving African bees, emphasizing the importance of respecting nature and the power of collective consciousness.
The Language of Energy and Presence, Healing from Trauma and Finding Meaning
Boyd discusses the importance of presence and energetic communication when encountering wild animals, particularly lions, and the potential for a conversation of death that doesn't always end in death. He reflects on his healing journey after experiencing trauma, contrasting his approach with that of his mother and sister. He emphasizes the importance of finding a structure of meaning and purpose in healing.
The Sweat Lodge and a Rebirth, The Leopard in the Fire
Boyd describes a transformative experience in a sweat lodge ceremony, where he confronts his past traumas and experiences a profound connection to nature and his own healing. He shares a story about Lawrence Funderpast, a poet and artist who found solace in nature after the war, and his own encounter with a leopard in a fire, highlighting the power of letting go and allowing ourselves to be taken to places we can't reach alone.
The Power of Nonverbal Communication, The Lion's Roar and a Hilarious Presentation
Boyd discusses the importance of nonverbal communication in healing, drawing on his experiences with equine therapy and wolf sanctuaries, where animals have a profound impact on people's emotional well-being. He recounts a humorous story about a presentation he gave at a Silicon Valley company, where a technical malfunction led to him roaring along with a silent lion on a screen, highlighting the importance of embracing the unexpected and going all in.
Keywords
8Sleep Pod Pro
8Sleep Pod Pro is a sleep system that automatically cools or warms each side of the bed, elevates the bed for reading and sleeping positions, and detects snoring to improve airflow. It is designed to provide a personalized and comfortable sleep experience.
AG1
AG1 is a daily nutritional supplement that supports whole body health. It contains a science-driven formulation of vitamins, probiotics, and whole-food-sourced nutrients. AG1 is NSF certified for sports and is trusted by professional athletes.
Speculative Fiction
Speculative fiction is a genre of fiction that explores hypothetical situations and alternative realities. It often deals with themes of science, technology, and the future.
Londolozy Game Reserve
Londolozy Game Reserve is a private game reserve located in the Eastern Cape of South Africa. It is known for its diverse wildlife, including lions, elephants, leopards, and rhinos.
Tracking
Tracking is the art of following an animal's trail by observing its footprints, scat, and other signs. It is a skill that requires patience, observation, and a deep understanding of the natural world.
Ubuntu
Ubuntu is an African philosophy that emphasizes the interconnectedness of all people. It is based on the belief that \"I am because of you\" and that we are all part of a larger community.
PTSD
Post-traumatic stress disorder, a mental health condition triggered by a traumatic event, characterized by intrusive memories, avoidance behaviors, negative thoughts and feelings, and hyperarousal.
Equine Therapy
A form of therapy that uses horses to help people with a range of mental and emotional challenges, promoting emotional regulation, self-awareness, and communication skills.
Mission Wolf
A wolf sanctuary in Colorado that provides a safe haven for wolves and wolf dogs that cannot be released into the wild, offering educational programs and opportunities for human-animal interaction.
Q&A
What are some of the key benefits of 8Sleep's new Pod Pro?
The 8Sleep Pod Pro automatically cools or warms each side of the bed, elevates the bed for reading and sleeping positions, and detects snoring to improve airflow. It is designed to provide a personalized and comfortable sleep experience.
What are some of the key ingredients in AG1?
AG1 contains a science-driven formulation of vitamins, probiotics, and whole-food-sourced nutrients. It supports brain, gut, and immune system health, and is NSF certified for sports.
How does Margaret Atwood's childhood in the woods influence her writing?
Atwood's childhood in the woods provided her with a sense of solitude and a deep connection to nature. This experience likely influenced her writing, which often explores themes of isolation, survival, and the human condition.
What is the significance of tracking in Boyd Varty's life?
Tracking is a metaphor for life, according to Varty. It requires patience, observation, and a deep understanding of the natural world. Varty believes that tracking can teach us how to be more present, attuned, and connected to the world around us.
What is the concept of Ubuntu and how does it relate to Varty's experiences?
Ubuntu is an African philosophy that emphasizes the interconnectedness of all people. Varty believes that Ubuntu is a way of life that is deeply ingrained in the Shangan people. He learned the importance of Ubuntu from his experiences with the Shangan trackers, who always put the needs of the community before their own.
What is the most important lesson you learned from your six weeks alone in a tree?
The experience taught me the profound connection we have with nature and the transformative power of solitude. It allowed me to attune to the rhythms of the natural world and to connect with my own inner energy.
How did your near-death experience with African bees change your perspective on nature?
The encounter with the bees emphasized the importance of respecting nature and understanding its power. It also highlighted the concept of collective consciousness and how individual actions can have a ripple effect on the whole.
How do you approach encounters with wild animals, particularly lions?
I believe in the importance of presence and energetic communication when encountering wild animals. It's about understanding that we are in a dialogue with them, and that our energy and intentions can influence the outcome of the encounter.
How did you find meaning and purpose in your healing journey after experiencing trauma?
I realized that healing wasn't just about myself, but about becoming a resource for others. By learning to heal and transform, I could help others on their own journeys and contribute to a more compassionate and connected world.
What was the most significant insight you gained from your sweat lodge experience?
The sweat lodge ceremony helped me confront my past traumas and experience a profound connection to nature. It was a rebirth, a reawakening to my own nature and the interconnectedness of all things.
Show Notes
This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited.
The episode features segments from episode #573 "Margaret Atwood — A Living Legend on Creative Process, The Handmaid’s Tale, Being a Mercenary Child, Resisting Labels, the Poet Rug Exchange, Liminal Beings, Burning Questions, Practical Utopias, and More" and #571 "Boyd Varty — The Lion Tracker’s Guide to Life."
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Timestamps:
[00:00 ] Start
[05:11 ] Notes about this supercombo format.
[06:14 ] Enter Margaret Atwood.
[06:48 ] What drives Margaret's ability to craft engaging speculative fiction?
[10:52 ] The downsides of raising a family isolated in the woods.
[15:44 ] Factors that nudged young Margaret toward poetry.
[21:54 ] How limited options led Margaret to her current vocation.
[24:07 ] How long it took for writing to pay off, and its benefits in the meantime.
[30:34 ] Life lessons learned by teaching.
[34:18 ] Enter Boyd Varty.
[34:42 ] Setting the scene.
[37:00 ] Origins of Londolozi Game Reserve and Boyd's childhood influences.
[39:17 ] Why Boyd's family kept the seemingly useless property.
[41:23 ] Boyd's experiences with The White Knuckle Charter Company.
[50:00 ] Transforming scrubland into a safari business with help from Ken Tinley and Shangaan trackers.
[56:04 ] Shangaan trackers' lineage and wildlife trust in Londolozi's caretakers.
[59:46 ] Renias Mhlongo's supreme tracking skills and work ethic.
[1:05:18 ] Hardest animals to track at Londolozi.
[1:08:30 ] Safety measures in Londolozi's unpredictable environment.
[1:10:21 ] "I don't know where we're going, but I know exactly how to get there." —Renias Mhlongo
[1:12:26 ] Boyd's tracking evolution: from childhood to trauma recovery.
[1:30:30 ] Definition of Ubuntu.
[1:32:40 ] Boyd's 40-day tree-dwelling experience.
[1:45:47 ] Bees, birds, and hive algorithms.
[1:57:07 ] Interacting with lions in the wild.
[2:01:41 ] Death conversations, ancient myths, and inexplicable animal movements.
[2:07:30 ] Comparing trauma recovery paths within Boyd's family.
[2:11:08 ] Ceremony work for trauma healing.
[2:14:06 ] An authentic life as activism.
[2:19:27 ] The impact of Byron Katie's Work on Boyd and me.
[2:23:55 ] Boyd's first sweat lodge experience in Arizona.
[2:29:18 ] Feelings. Nothing more than feelings.
[2:31:48 ] What a close encounter with a beautiful predator taught Boyd about Ubuntu.
[2:40:53 ] The therapeutic value of spending time with animals.
[2:45:22 ] Contrasting lion roar descriptions: van der Post vs. Boyd.
[2:49:40 ] Invitation to Londolozi and parting thoughts.
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