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Building TRUST in 2025 What Top Leaders Wish They Knew - Charles Feltman

Building TRUST in 2025 What Top Leaders Wish They Knew - Charles Feltman

Update: 2025-02-03
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This podcast, featuring Charles Felton and his book "The Thin Book of Trust," explores the significant trust gap between leaders (86% believing they're trustworthy) and employees (only 60% agreeing). The discussion covers various strategies to bridge this gap, starting with the seemingly insignificant "weather small talk" and its potential role in trust-building. Practical steps for leaders, especially those new to their roles, include transparency, acknowledging uncertainty, and open communication. The podcast delves into why leaders disconnect from their employees, citing ego, stress, and a skewed perception of leadership roles. The importance of seeking employee input and acknowledging limitations is stressed. The role of autocratic leadership is debated, emphasizing the need for transparency regardless of leadership style. Building psychological safety, where team members feel comfortable disagreeing, is crucial. Effective communication, particularly in digital environments, is highlighted, focusing on separating the message from the messenger and framing arguments effectively. The podcast also addresses the importance of balancing positivity and negativity in the workplace and the potential pitfalls of bypassing middle management, emphasizing the need for clear communication at all levels.

Outlines

00:00:00
Understanding and Bridging the Trust Gap

This introductory section establishes the significant trust gap between leaders and employees (86% vs 60% trust perception), introducing Charles Felton's "The Thin Book of Trust" and setting the stage for exploring strategies to improve trust. It also touches upon the role of initial small talk in building rapport.

00:03:25
Practical Strategies for Building Trust

This section focuses on practical steps for leaders to build trust, emphasizing transparency, acknowledging uncertainty, and fostering open communication. It explores the reasons behind the disconnect between leadership and employees, highlighting the importance of seeking employee input and acknowledging limitations.

00:11:17
Leadership Styles, Psychological Safety, and Effective Communication

This section discusses the role of autocratic leadership in building trust, the importance of creating psychologically safe environments, and the challenges of effective communication, particularly in digital settings. It emphasizes the need for clear communication, focusing on the message rather than the messenger, and finding a balance between positive and negative feedback.

00:27:14
Navigating Communication and Maintaining Trust Across Levels

This concluding section addresses the complexities of communication, particularly the potential pitfalls of bypassing middle management. It reinforces the importance of maintaining trust and clear communication at all organizational levels.

Keywords

Trust


The foundation of strong relationships, both personal and professional; confidence in another's reliability, integrity, and ability.

Psychological Safety


A climate where individuals feel safe to take risks, express opinions, and admit mistakes without fear of negative consequences.

Transparency


Open and honest communication; sharing information freely and openly; essential for building trust and fostering collaboration.

Autocratic Leadership


A leadership style where a single person makes decisions with little input from others; transparency is crucial to maintain trust.

Effective Communication


Clear, concise, and focused communication, separating the message from the messenger; crucial for building trust and team cohesion.

The Thin Book of Trust


A business classic by Charles Felton offering practical advice on building and maintaining trust in organizations.

Q&A

  • What is the biggest obstacle to building trust in organizations?

    The disconnect between how leaders perceive their trustworthiness and how employees experience it, often stemming from a lack of transparency, empathy, and effective communication.

  • How can leaders foster psychological safety within their teams?

    Leaders must model the expected behavior, acknowledging uncertainty, encouraging diverse viewpoints, and ensuring dissenting opinions are valued.

  • How can leaders effectively communicate with their teams?

    Focus on useful and necessary information, erring on the side of transparency while respecting confidentiality.

  • How to handle situations requiring direct input from employees, potentially bypassing middle management?

    Communicate intentions clearly to middle management beforehand, explaining the reasons and assuring them their perspectives are valued.

  • How can leaders help their teams improve communication skills?

    Focus on framing arguments effectively, separating the message from the messenger, and using communication channels appropriately.

Show Notes

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Ryan Hanley talks with Charles Feltman, author of The Thin Book of Trust, a business classic that has sold over 100,000 copies. They dive into what it takes to build trust in leadership and teams, exploring why thereโ€™s often a disconnect between leaders and employees. Charles shares practical advice on transparency, the importance of psychological safety, and how admitting โ€œI donโ€™t knowโ€ can strengthen trust. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just starting out, this conversation is packed with insights to help you build stronger, more effective teams.

๐ŸŽฏ Takeaways:

  • 93% of business executives agree that building and maintaining trust improves the bottom line.ย 
  • 86% of executives say they highly trust their employees, but only 60% of employees feel highly trusted.
  • Leaders become less transparent and more autocratic as they ascend, which can erode trust.

๐Ÿ’ฌ Sound Bites: โ€ข "Leaders often act as if they know everything, even when they donโ€™t. This damages trust." โ€ข "Acknowledging uncertainty and involving your team fosters stronger solutions and trust." โ€ข "Leaders should be in service of their team, not just the task."ย 

๐Ÿ”— Connect and Discover:

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๐Ÿ“– Chapters:

00:00:00 - Introduction and The Role of Leaders in Trust Building

00:03:12 - The Trust Gap: 86% vs. 60%

00:05:07 - Why Leaders Lose Transparency

00:07:33 - The Strength of Admitting โ€œI Donโ€™t Knowโ€

00:10:52 - Autocratic vs. Collaborative Leadership

00:13:25 - The Importance of Disagreement in Teams

00:18:32 - Psychological Safety and Framing Ideas

00:26:54 - In Service Of: Redefining Leadership

00:28:26 - Navigating Layers of Management to Build Trust

00:32:06 - Finding the Right Level of Transparency

00:39:18 - The Evolution of โ€œThe Thin Book of Trustโ€

00:41:42 - Where to Learn More

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Building TRUST in 2025 What Top Leaders Wish They Knew - Charles Feltman

Building TRUST in 2025 What Top Leaders Wish They Knew - Charles Feltman

Ryan Hanley