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(0:00-5:00 ) Intro
(5:01-18:37 ) Clemson Head Coach Dabo Swinney Joins
(18:38-27:46 ) Tom Allen Hiring, Cade Klubnik's Development
(27:47-32:52 ) Dabo Swinney's Rules for Life
(32:53-38:03 ) Closing out with Dabo Swinney
(38:04-45:07 ) The CJ Spiller Story
(45:08-1:01:48 ) In Depth Discussion on Clemson
(1:01 :49-1:05:05 ) Conclusion: Ari's Cowboy Hat?

Clemson coach Dabo Swinney joins the show to explain why he doesn’t listen to Ari — or anyone else who thinks he should change the way he builds his roster.

Swinney explains why Clemson dipped its toe in the transfer portal and why he still believes the best way to build a football program is with good high school players who remain bought in to the school they originally chose.

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Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman

Producer: River Bailey