Deep Dive: How Technology and Addiction to Phones Harms Real Life Interactions, with Christine Rosen | Ep. 879
Digest
This episode of The Megan Kelly Show features Christine Rosen, author of "The Extinction of Experience: Being Human in a Disembodied World," discussing the impact of technology on human experience. Rosen expresses concern about the loss of real-world experiences for younger generations, highlighting the decline of activities like writing by hand, waiting, being bored, and daydreaming. She argues that these experiences contribute to personal growth and development. Rosen further explores how technology mediates human relationships and experiences, potentially leading to negative consequences. She cites examples like online friendships replacing face-to-face interactions and the decline of public spaces as meeting points due to people being absorbed in their phones. She also discusses the importance of reading facial expressions in human interaction and how younger generations are not developing this skill due to increased reliance on technology. Rosen examines the use of memes and emojis by Gen Z, acknowledging their creativity but expressing concern that they are choosing mediated relationships over face-to-face interactions. She argues that real-world connections are more valuable in the long term. She also discusses the impact of phone photography on memory formation, citing research showing that taking more pictures leads to less memory retention of the actual experience. Rosen explores the bystander effect and how technology can exacerbate it, arguing that the presence of a recording device can create a false sense of action, leading people to film or photograph incidents of suffering instead of intervening or calling for help. She also discusses how technology can erode empathy by gradually replacing human interactions with technological substitutes. Rosen explores the impact of technology on love relationships, particularly dating apps, arguing that the mediated nature of these encounters can make initial assessments more awkward and challenging, leading to delays in relationships, marriage, and childbearing. Rosen suggests that the solution to the negative impacts of technology lies in reintroducing friction into our lives. She encourages people to be more thoughtful about the technology they use, prioritize human interaction, and embrace discomfort in order to relearn patience, daydream, and engage with the world around them.
Outlines
The Extinction of Experience: Technology's Impact on Human Connection
Christine Rosen, author of "The Extinction of Experience," discusses the impact of technology on human experience, highlighting the loss of real-world experiences and the decline of human connection.
The Loss of Real-World Experiences and the Rise of Technology
Rosen explores the decline of activities like writing by hand, waiting, being bored, and daydreaming, arguing that these experiences contribute to personal growth and development. She discusses how technology mediates human relationships and experiences, potentially leading to negative consequences.
Technology's Impact on Empathy and Human Interaction
Rosen examines the bystander effect and how technology can exacerbate it, arguing that the presence of a recording device can create a false sense of action. She also discusses how technology can erode empathy by gradually replacing human interactions with technological substitutes. She explores the impact of technology on love relationships, particularly dating apps, arguing that the mediated nature of these encounters can make initial assessments more awkward and challenging.
Reintroducing Friction and Choosing Human Connection
Rosen suggests that the solution to the negative impacts of technology lies in reintroducing friction into our lives. She encourages people to be more thoughtful about the technology they use, prioritize human interaction, and embrace discomfort in order to relearn patience, daydream, and engage with the world around them.
Keywords
Extinction of Experience
The title of Christine Rosen's book, which explores the impact of technology on human experience and the loss of real-world experiences.
Disembodied World
A term used to describe the increasingly virtual and mediated nature of our lives, where technology separates us from physical experiences and human connection.
Bystander Effect
A social phenomenon where individuals are less likely to help someone in need when others are present, often due to a diffusion of responsibility. Technology can exacerbate this effect by providing a false sense of action through recording.
Empathy
The ability to understand and share the feelings of another person. Technology can erode empathy by replacing human interactions with technological substitutes, leading to a decline in emotional understanding and connection.
Friction
A term used to describe the challenges and obstacles that we encounter in real-world experiences. Rosen argues that reintroducing friction into our lives, by choosing human interaction and embracing discomfort, can help us relearn important skills and reconnect with the world around us.
Human Connection
The importance of face-to-face interactions, genuine relationships, and meaningful connections with others. Rosen argues that technology can diminish human connection by replacing real-world interactions with virtual ones.
Real-World Experiences
The importance of experiencing the world through our senses, engaging in activities that require physical presence and interaction, and learning from the challenges and opportunities that arise in real life. Rosen argues that technology is diminishing these experiences.
Q&A
What are some of the real-world experiences that Christine Rosen believes are being lost due to technology?
Rosen argues that younger generations are missing out on experiences like writing by hand, waiting, being bored, and daydreaming, which contribute to personal growth and development.
How does technology mediate human relationships and experiences, and what are some potential negative consequences?
Technology can mediate relationships by replacing face-to-face interactions with online communication, leading to a decline in public spaces as meeting points and a potential for less genuine and meaningful connections.
How does technology affect our ability to read facial expressions, and what are the implications for human interaction?
Increased reliance on technology can lead to a decline in the ability to read facial expressions, making it more difficult to understand and interpret emotions in real-world interactions. This can result in miscommunication and a lack of empathy.
What is the bystander effect, and how can technology exacerbate it?
The bystander effect is a social phenomenon where individuals are less likely to help someone in need when others are present. Technology can exacerbate this effect by providing a false sense of action through recording, leading people to film or photograph incidents of suffering instead of intervening.
How can we reintroduce friction into our lives and prioritize human connection in a technology-driven world?
Rosen suggests being more thoughtful about the technology we use, choosing human interaction over technology whenever possible, and embracing discomfort in order to relearn patience, daydream, and engage with the world around us.
Show Notes
Megyn Kelly is joined by Christine Rosen, author of "The Extinction of Experience," to discuss the profound impact our digital lives and growing addiction to phones has on our brains, how it has affected our attention spans and made social interactions worse, the disturbing "Bystander Effect" causing our real life interactions to get worse and more distant, how we focus on taking photos of experiences rather than actually experiencing life, the truth about the Israel-Hamas hostage discussions, Brian Stelter rejoining CNN, and more.
More from Rosen:https://www.amazon.com/Extinction-Experience-Being-Human-Disembodied/dp/0393241718
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Our libraries have gone the tech route. I miss the connections to staff where relationships were special. Books and people go hand in hand. Also steering away from physical books esp children's books! How damaging is that?