Discover"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player AnalysisE49: Open AI, Anthropic, and Meta | Analyzing the AI Frontier with Zvi
E49: Open AI, Anthropic, and Meta | Analyzing the AI Frontier with Zvi

E49: Open AI, Anthropic, and Meta | Analyzing the AI Frontier with Zvi

Update: 2023-08-02


This isn't news, it's analysis! Nathan Labenz sits down for an with Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase to talk about the major players in AI over the last few months. In this extended conversation, Nathan and Zvi debate if AI has attained the intelligence of a well-read college graduate (per OpenAI's Jan Leike), a live player analysis (who to count/ who not to count), and the role of independent red teaming organizations. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite:

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(00:00 ) Episode preview

(03:15 ) Is AI as intelligent as a college grad?

(07:45 ) Memories and context processing

(15:45 ) Sponsor: NetSuite | Omneky

(17:13 ) Is AI as intelligent as a college grad? cont'd

(20:47 ) Strengths and weaknesses of AI vs human

(31:05 ) OpenAI Superalignment

(37:23 ) The relationship between OpenAI and Anthropic

(44:31 ) Anthropic's security recommendations and adversarial attacks

(50:50 ) Is OpenAI using a constitutional AI approach? 

(01:01:26 ) Context and stochastic parrots

(01:10 ) Is more context better?

(01:15:29 ) Should Nathan work at Anthropic?

(01:21:35 ) Google DeepMind's RT-2

(01:27:47 ) Multi-modal Med-PaLM

(01:31:50 ) Speculating about Gato

(01:35:10 ) Skepticism about Med-PaLM usage in radiology

(01:41:37 ) Llama 2 - what is going on at Meta??

(01:51:14 ) Llama 2 vs other models

(01:55:29 ) Who are the live players?

(02:01:38 ) China's AI developments

(02:02:41 ) Character AI and Inflection

(02:05:26 ) Replit as the perfect substrate for AGI

(02:10 ) AI girlfriends

(02:18:53 ) AI safety: The White House

(02:25:43 ) Bottlenecks to progress

(02:35:27 ) Can new players influence AI policy?

(02:39:00 ) Liabilities

(02:47:54 ) Independent red teaming organizations

(02:57:18 ) Mechanistic interpretability


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E49: Open AI, Anthropic, and Meta | Analyzing the AI Frontier with Zvi

E49: Open AI, Anthropic, and Meta | Analyzing the AI Frontier with Zvi

Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz