DiscoverECM Records PodcastEpisode #48 - Benjamin Lackner: Spindrift
Episode #48 - Benjamin Lackner: Spindrift

Episode #48 - Benjamin Lackner: Spindrift

Update: 2025-02-23
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This podcast features Benny Lackner discussing his new ECM album, "Spin Drift." He explains the album's title, reflecting a period of personal and artistic processing characterized by "controlled chaos." Lackner details his daily songwriting routine, employing an "automatic writing" technique at the piano, emphasizing consistent practice and a non-judgmental approach. He discusses the collaborative process with Manfred Eicher and the band at La Buissonne studio, highlighting the importance of organic collaboration and a live performance feel. His experience recording "Last Decade" influenced "Spin Drift," leading to simpler arrangements. The conversation touches on album sequencing, the hopeful message of the album's conclusion, and Lackner's personal journey finding his voice in the European jazz scene after navigating the challenges of the New York scene. He shares how music serves as a healing tool, particularly during difficult times.

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Creating "Spin Drift": Benny Lackner's New Album

An introduction to Benny Lackner and his new ECM album, "Spin Drift," exploring its concept of "controlled chaos," the musicians involved, and the album's themes. Lackner details his daily songwriting routine, including "automatic writing," and the collaborative recording process at La Buissonne studio with Manfred Eicher.

00:05:04
Songwriting, Collaboration, and Recording "Spin Drift"

A deeper dive into Lackner's songwriting techniques, the selection of band members, and the collaborative experience with Manfred Eicher at La Buissonne. The influence of his previous album, "Last Decade," on the simpler arrangements of "Spin Drift" is discussed.

00:15:42
Personal Reflections and the Healing Power of Music

Lackner reflects on his personal journey, comparing his experiences in the New York and European jazz scenes, and discusses the album's sequencing and hopeful conclusion. He emphasizes the therapeutic role of music in processing difficult emotions.

Keywords

Spin Drift


Benny Lackner's new ECM album, reflecting a period of personal and artistic processing characterized by "controlled chaos."

Controlled Chaos


Lackner's creative approach, balancing structure and spontaneity in his music and life.

Automatic Writing


A songwriting technique where Lackner composes without self-criticism, letting the music flow freely.

ECM Records


A renowned independent record label known for its high-quality jazz and classical recordings.

Manfred Eicher


Founder and producer of ECM Records, known for his distinctive production style and collaborative approach.

La Buissonne Studio


A renowned recording studio in France known for its unique acoustic properties and secluded location.

Benny Lackner


Jazz musician and composer known for his work with ECM Records.

Jazz Music


The genre of music featured in the podcast and Benny Lackner's work.

Songwriting Process


The methods and techniques used by Benny Lackner to create his music.

Improvisation


A key element in Lackner's creative process and the jazz genre.

Q&A

  • How did your experience recording "Last Decade" influence your approach to "Spin Drift"?

    The isolated recording process for "Last Decade" taught Lackner to simplify his arrangements, resulting in a more organic and collaborative approach for "Spin Drift," prioritizing live performance feel over overdubs.

  • Can you describe your daily songwriting routine and the "automatic writing" technique you use?

    Lackner starts and finishes a song daily, playing and singing each note before adding chords, without initial judgment. He lets the song sit for 10 days before deciding if it's a keeper.

  • What role did Manfred Eicher play in the creation of "Spin Drift"?

    Eicher provided guidance and feedback, but also allowed significant creative freedom. His subtle cues during recording sessions helped the band reach consensus on the best takes. He also handled the album sequencing.

  • How did your experiences in the New York and European jazz scenes shape your musical identity?

    Lackner found the New York scene initially challenging, requiring him to master traditional jazz skills before developing his own style. Moving to Europe provided more freedom and allowed him to find his voice without external pressures.

  • How does music contribute to healing and coping with difficult times?

    Lackner's routine and creative process provide a sense of calm and structure. The act of creating music itself, particularly during times of grief, can be therapeutic and aid in processing emotions.

Show Notes

In the 48th episode of the ECM podcast we're joined by the German-American pianist Benjamin Lackner, to discuss his new record "Spindrift", recorded with Mathias Eick, Mark Turner, Linda May Han Oh and Matthieu Chazarenc - produced by Manfred Eicher.

Benjamin talks about dynamics in the band, creative process and routine, the healing properties of music and more.
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Episode #48 - Benjamin Lackner: Spindrift

Episode #48 - Benjamin Lackner: Spindrift

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