Et Tu, American Federation of Teachers? (with Charles Logan), 2025.07.14
Digest
This podcast discusses the problematic integration of generative AI into education, focusing on partnerships between educational institutions and tech companies like OpenAI and Microsoft. The discussion centers on OpenAI's vision for "AI-native" universities, criticized as a profit-driven scheme lacking educational expertise and potentially harming learning. The podcast analyzes a professor's perspective on AI in writing, highlighting the dismissal of systemic issues contributing to student reliance on AI. Strong criticism is leveled at the American Federation of Teachers' partnership with Microsoft and OpenAI, viewed as a betrayal of educators and a capitulation to corporate interests. Finally, the podcast explores absurd and concerning AI applications, including the potential weaponization of gig work and the emotional attachments formed with AI companions, emphasizing the need for counter-governance to resist the unchecked influence of tech companies in education. Ethical concerns raised include algorithmic bias, diminished critical thinking skills, and the exploitation of educators' labor.
Outlines

Introduction and AI Hype in Education
The podcast introduces the hosts and guest, Charles Logan, and sets the stage by discussing the concerning trend of integrating generative AI into classrooms, particularly highlighting partnerships between educational institutions and tech companies like OpenAI and Microsoft.

OpenAI's Vision for AI-Native Universities
Discussion centers on a New York Times article detailing OpenAI's plan to integrate its AI tools into all aspects of university life, from tutoring to career services. The panel critiques this vision as a money-making scheme rather than a genuine improvement to education, highlighting the lack of educational expertise in OpenAI's leadership.

A Professor's Perspective on AI in Writing
The podcast analyzes an article by a professor of English who views AI as both an opportunity and a threat in student writing. The hosts and guest discuss the article's framing of opposition to AI as fear-based and its dismissal of concerns about laziness and cheating as individualistic issues, neglecting systemic factors.

The AFT's Partnership with Tech Companies
The hosts express strong criticism of the American Federation of Teachers' partnership with Microsoft and OpenAI to create the National Academy for AI Instruction, viewing it as a betrayal of educators and a capitulation to corporate interests. Concerns about funding sources and the lack of democratic process within the union are raised.

Fresh AI Hell: Absurdity and Exploitation
This segment covers several news items showcasing the absurd and concerning applications of AI: a Republican attorney general investigating AI chatbots' negative portrayal of Donald Trump, the potential weaponization of gig work against immigrant workers, Mark Andreessen's comments on DEI in universities, and the emotional attachments formed with AI companions.
Keywords
Generative AI
AI systems capable of generating text, images, or other media formats; raising ethical and practical concerns in education.
AI-Native University
A concept where AI tools are fully integrated into university life; criticized for prioritizing profit over educational quality.
Predatory Inclusion
Providing access to technology without addressing systemic inequalities, potentially exacerbating disparities in education.
Astroturfing
Creating a false grassroots movement to promote AI adoption in education.
Counter-Governance
Actions to challenge the power of large corporations and institutions in education.
Algorithmic Bias
Bias in AI systems leading to unfair or discriminatory outcomes in education.
OpenAI
A leading AI research company whose integration into education is heavily criticized in this podcast.
American Federation of Teachers (AFT)
A teachers' union whose partnership with tech companies is a central point of discussion.
Ethical Concerns in Education
The podcast explores various ethical concerns related to the use of AI in education.
AI in Higher Education
The podcast focuses on the impact and implications of AI in universities and colleges.
Q&A
What are the main criticisms of OpenAI's vision for "AI-native" universities?
Critics argue it's primarily a profit-driven scheme lacking educational expertise, potentially harming learning and exacerbating existing inequalities. It also raises concerns about data privacy and the replacement of human educators.
How does the AFT's partnership with tech companies contradict its stated goals?
The partnership appears to prioritize corporate interests over the well-being of educators and students, potentially undermining the union's role in advocating for fair working conditions and quality education. It raises questions about democratic decision-making within the union.
What are the ethical concerns surrounding the increasing use of AI in education?
Concerns include algorithmic bias, the potential for diminished critical thinking skills, the erosion of human connection in learning, and the exploitation of educators' labor. The emotional impact on students, particularly the formation of unhealthy attachments to AI companions, is also a significant concern.
What is the podcast's overall stance on the integration of AI in education?
The podcast is highly critical of the current trajectory of AI integration in education, highlighting the ethical concerns, corporate influence, and potential for exacerbating existing inequalities.
What solutions or recommendations does the podcast offer?
The podcast implicitly advocates for counter-governance and a more critical, cautious approach to AI integration in education, prioritizing educator well-being and student learning over corporate interests.
Show Notes
The chatbot boosters are looking for educators to play brand ambassador for more intrusion of so-called "AI" into the classroom. From the American Federation of Teachers' new partnership with OpenAI and Microsoft for a "national academy for AI instruction" to yet more articles extolling the alleged time-saving and future-proofing virtues of LLM-powered ed tech, the hype can feel relentless. Charles Logan joins Alex and Emily for a critical look at the latest propaganda for "AI" in the classroom.
Charles Logan is a former English teacher and current PhD candidate in Learning Sciences at Northwestern University.
References:
Welcome to Campus. Here’s Your ChatGPT.
AI isn’t replacing student writing – but it is reshaping it
Also referenced:
Tressie McMillan Cottom on "predatory inclusion"
Daniel Greene's "The Access Doctrine"
The Group Chats that Changed America
Fresh AI Hell:
Missouri AG investigating why chatbots don’t like Trump
Gig workers calling ICE on other undocumented gig workers
Tech billionaire Trump adviser Marc Andreessen says universities will ‘pay the price’ for DEI
USF makes a PTSD detector...trained on children
People falling in love with Replika chatbots
Elon Musk thirsting over xAI anime construct
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