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How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

Update: 2025-06-1626
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My guest is Michael Easter, a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and best-selling author. We discuss how particular daily life choices undermine our level of joy, our sense of purpose, our physical and our mental health and the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly steps we can all take to vastly increase our level of motivation, gratitude and overall life satisfaction. We discuss how effortful foraging for information, undistracted reflection and physical exercise are ways to ‘invest’ and therefore grow our levels of dopamine, energy and motivation, whereas low-friction activities are specifically designed to hijack or diminish them. We also discuss dopamine reward circuitry in the context of how to build and reset one’s energy levels and create a deeper sense of purpose in work, creative pursuits and relationships.


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Timestamps


00:00:00 Michael Easter


00:02:14 Discomforts, Modern vs Ancient Life


00:07:35 Sponsors: Maui Nui & Helix Sleep


00:10:17 Modern Problems, Exercise, Trail vs Treadmill Running, Optic Flow, Hunting


00:20:01 Risk & Rewards, Intellectual vs Experiential Understanding


00:23:39 Modern Luxuries, First-World Problems, Gratitude, Tool: Volunteer


00:34:33 Rites of Passage, Tool: Challenge, Narrative & Purpose; Embracing Discomfort


00:40:43 Sponsors: AG1 & Mateina


00:43:33 Choice, 2% Study, Silence, Tools: Do Slightly Harder Things; Notice Resistance


00:54:05 Cognitive Challenges, Walking, Screens, Tool: Sitting with Boredom


01:01:53 Capturing Ideas, Attractor States, Tool: Being in Nature


01:06:50 2% Rule, Rites of Passage, Tool: Misogi Challenge


01:14:12 Phones, Sharing with Others, Social Media, Tool: Reflection vs Screen Time


01:23:23 Dopamine, Spending vs Investing, Guilt


01:29:48 Sponsor: Function


01:31:35 Relaxation, Shared Identities & Community, Music, Tool: In-Person Meeting


01:38:58 Loss of Gathering Places, Internet & Distorted Views, Hitchhiking


01:45:06 Misogi & Entry Points; Daily Schedule, Caffeine Intake


01:54:37 Optimal Circadian Schedule, Work Bouts, Exercise


01:59:12 Outdoor Adventures, Backpacking & Nutrition


02:04:57 Camping & Sleeping, Nature, Three-Day Effect


02:10:10 Sea Squirts; Misogi Adventures & Cognitive Vigor, Writing, Happiness


02:17:55 Effort & Rewards, Addiction, Dopamine, Catecholamines


02:22:36 Humans, Running & Carrying Weight, Fat Loss, Tool: How to Start Rucking


02:32:32 Physical/Cognitive Pursuits & Resistance; Creative “Magic” & Foraging


02:39:27 Motivation; Slot Machines, Loss Disguised as a Win, Speed


02:46:06 Gambling, Dopamine, Addiction


02:50:29 Tool: Avoid Frictionless Foraging; Sports Betting, Speed; Junk Food, Three V’s


02:56:22 Conveniences, Technology; Upcoming Book, Satisfaction


03:02:57 Substack Links, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter


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How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

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