In this episode, Dave and Steve sit down with Dr. Kelly Dardeen, a clinical psychologist specializing in first responders. Together, they take a deep dive into the mental health challenges and trauma detectives and officers face throughout their careers.

Dr. Dardeen shares how she began her work in trauma therapy, from her early days with the VA to her current role supporting 30 first responder agencies. She explains what makes trauma in law enforcement unique, why officers can’t simply “leave work at work,” and what civilians often misunderstand about the psychological toll of the job.

The conversation explores the warning signs of trauma, how repeated exposure to humanity’s darkest moments impacts ethical decision-making, and the role dark humor plays in coping. They also confront the persistent stigma surrounding mental health therapy in policing and discuss how breaking that stigma can save lives and careers.

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