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John Zito - Inside Apollo - [Invest Like the Best, EP.426]

John Zito - Inside Apollo - [Invest Like the Best, EP.426]

Update: 2025-06-03
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John Zito, in this podcast, provides insights into the dynamic landscape of global capital markets and Apollo's strategic positioning within it. He highlights the increasing convergence of public and private markets, the growth of private credit, and the significant role of long-duration liabilities in funding infrastructure projects. Zito details Apollo's principal investing approach and the transformative impact of their merger with Athene, emphasizing how this alignment with clients creates a competitive advantage. He discusses key innovations in capital markets, including the ETF market and the lack of innovation in fixed income, while explaining Apollo's unique approach to credit investing, which includes a full capital structure view and open architecture. The discussion also covers Apollo's current asset allocation, expected rates of return across asset classes, the increasing demand for liquidity in private markets, and the potential of secondary marketplaces. Finally, Zito shares perspectives on how different stakeholder groups perceive Apollo and the importance of building strong relationships, both professionally and personally, highlighting the crucial role of a supportive family environment.

Outlines

00:03:40
Apollo's Strategy in Evolving Capital Markets

Introduction to John Zito and Apollo's strategy in the shifting global capital markets, focusing on private credit growth, public-private market convergence, and Apollo's unique approach.

00:04:31
The Athene Merger and Apollo's Business Model

Detailed explanation of Apollo's principal investing model and the transformative Athene merger, emphasizing the alignment with clients and its market advantage.

00:09:37
Infrastructure Spending and Long-Duration Liabilities

Discussion on generational shifts in infrastructure spending, particularly in Europe, and the role of long-duration liabilities like annuities in funding these projects, highlighting Apollo's strategic positioning.

00:11:12
The US Role in Global Capital Markets and Future Trends

Analysis of the US's role in global capital markets and potential future shifts due to geopolitical factors, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the US's competitive edge.

00:14:34
Capital Market Innovations and Apollo's Credit Approach

Discussion of key capital market innovations, Apollo's unique approach to credit investing (full capital structure view and open architecture), and the lack of fixed income innovation.

00:19:03
Deep Dive into the Athene Merger

A detailed analysis of the strategic rationale and execution of the Athene merger, including challenges and opportunities.

00:02:18
Apollo's Asset Allocation and Business Model Evolution

Details of Apollo's current asset allocation, significant holdings in investment-grade assets, and the evolution of their fee structure.

00:28:05
Stakeholder Perspectives on Apollo and Future Vision

Discussion of how different stakeholder groups perceive Apollo and Zito's vision for their future perception.

00:31:48
Expected Returns, Private Assets, and Liquidity

Zito's perspective on expected rates of return across asset classes, the impact of rising interest rates, increasing liquidity of private assets, and the role of secondary marketplaces.

Keywords

Private Credit


Lending to companies outside traditional public markets; higher yields but less liquidity; Apollo's key area.

Athene Merger


Apollo's transformative 2020 merger, expanding balance sheet and client alignment.

Convergence of Public and Private Markets


Blurring lines between public and private markets, increasing private asset liquidity and accessibility.

Long-Duration Liabilities


Long-maturity liabilities (annuities) ideal for matching long-term infrastructure investments.

Principal Investing


Investing with firm's own capital, aligning incentives with clients, offering greater flexibility.

Open Architecture


Investment firm structure enabling collaboration and flexibility across teams and asset classes.

Secondary Marketplaces


Platforms increasing liquidity and access to private assets.

Full Capital Structure View


Apollo's approach to credit investing, considering all aspects of a company's capital structure.

Q&A

  • What is Apollo's unique approach to credit investing?

    Apollo takes a full capital structure view, using expertise across asset classes for customized solutions and employing an open architecture and principal investing approach.

  • How has the Athene merger transformed Apollo?

    The merger significantly increased Apollo's balance sheet, enabling principal investing and stronger client alignment.

  • What key trends shape the future of capital markets?

    Convergence of public and private markets, demand for long-duration assets, and the growing role of AI are key trends.

  • How does Apollo address the demand for liquidity in private markets?

    Apollo explores solutions like secondary marketplaces and private asset exchanges to enhance liquidity and client access to private assets.

  • What is the significance of Apollo's investment in origination platforms?

    Controlling asset flow provides a competitive advantage in sourcing high-quality investments and building long-term issuer relationships.

  • How can individuals build stronger professional relationships?

    Thoughtful gestures and unique interactions beyond the typical foster deeper connections and trust.

  • What is the significance of a supportive home environment in a demanding career?

    A supportive home environment provides crucial emotional and practical support, fostering resilience and better decision-making.

Show Notes

My guest today is John Zito. John is the Co-President of Apollo Global Management. He shares how they've quietly built one of the most important financial institutions of our time, originating over $250 billion annually. John's thesis on the convergence of private and public markets - and Apollo's positioning to capture 100% of client portfolios rather than just alternatives allocations - offers a fascinating glimpse into where institutional investing is heading. We discuss the cultural and strategic elements that drive John, Apollo’s merger with Athene, the idea of artistry at scale, and the evolution of capital markets. Please enjoy my conversation with John Zito. 




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Show Notes:


(00:00:00 ) Welcome to Invest Like the Best


(00:05:55 ) The Rise of Apollo and Credit Markets


(00:08:05 ) Innovations in Asset Management


(00:11:42 ) The Role of the US in Global Capital Markets


(00:15:26 ) The Future of Asset Management and Investment Strategies


(00:21:03 ) The Impact of Interest Rates on Investment


(00:25:27 ) Apollo's Business Model and Growth


(00:25:17 ) The Changing Landscape of Private Markets


(00:46:03 ) Apollo's Culture and Vision


(00:47:54 ) The Importance of Company Culture


(00:52:52 ) The Future of Private and Public Markets


(00:57:50 ) Building a Great Origination Platform


(01:02:03 ) Exciting Deals and Personal Stories


(01:14:47 ) The Role of AI and Future Opportunities


(01:22:16 ) Maintaining Company Culture Amidst Change


(01:24:06 ) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For John

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John Zito - Inside Apollo - [Invest Like the Best, EP.426]

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