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Julia Schottenstein is a product lead at dbt Labs, a data transformation company, and an active angel investor in data and infrastructure startups. She first got excited about dbt in 2019 when she was a VC at NEA and decided to make the leap from investor to operator by joining dbt Labs. She also co-hosts the dbt Labs Analytics Engineering Podcast, a show about data trends that impact analytics engineers’ work. In today’s episode, we discuss:

• Advice for founders hoping to improve their M&A outcome

• How to strategically think about competition

• How to determine your paid features and have willingness-to-pay conversations

• Why Julia lives by “worse is better” and “tech debt is a champagne problem”

• Lessons from dbt Labs

• What PMs can learn from investors

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Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/m-and-a-competition-pricing-and-investing

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• Twitter: https://twitter.com/j_schottenstein

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-schottenstein-25424318/

• Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/4BKMMeVXk4jJnAQSqGSJvE

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00 ) Julia’s background

(04:15 ) How Julia went from VC to working in product at dbt Labs

(08:24 ) Four things Julia uses to evaluate a company’s potential 

(11:10 ) How to identify whether or not you have product-market fit

(12:05 ) Distribution strategies

(13:11 ) M&A strategies

(15:54 ) Lessons from the Transform acquisition

(18:01 ) Competitive values at dbt

(20:25 ) Keys to dbt’s success

(26:35 ) An offsite exercise Julia used to help her team internalize upcoming changes

(29:32 ) Determining what features are included in open source

(31:56 ) Pricing and willingness to pay

(33:34 ) Lessons from dbt Labs’s first pricing change

(36:33 ) Whether or not to be public about selling your startup

(40:08 ) How to utilize connections during acquisitions

(44:57 ) How to communicate selling your company

(46:33 ) M&A market forecast

(47:28 ) Values at dbt Labs 

(50:14 ) Lessons from working with strongly opinionated users

(52:02 ) The importance of shipping, learning, and iterating 

(54:08 ) How VC skills translate into product

(57:03 ) Lightning round

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Referenced:

• dbt Labs: https://www.getdbt.com/

• Tristan Handy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristanhandy/

• dbt Labs acquires Transform to enhance Semantic Layer tool: https://www.techtarget.com/searchbusinessanalytics/news/365530993/DBT-Labs-acquires-Transform-to-enhance-Semantic-Layer-tool

• Snowflake: https://www.snowflake.com/en/

• Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid: https://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567

• Red strings training clip from Ted Lasso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVe3Iwy10MA

• Monetizing Innovation: https://www.amazon.com/Monetizing-Innovation-Companies-Design-Product/dp/1119240867

• Madhavan Ramanujam on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-art-and-science-of-pricing-madhavan#details

• Pricing survey: https://www.qualtrics.com/marketplace/vanwesterndorp-pricing-sensitivity-study/

• Hunter Walk’s blog post about publicly selling your startup: https://hunterwalk.com/2023/05/13/the-acquihire-market-for-early-stage-startups-is-ice-cold-one-better-strategy-announce-youre-for-sale/

• Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World: https://www.amazon.com/Range-Generalists-Triumph-Specialized-World/dp/0735214506/

• The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life: https://www.amazon.com/Snowball-Warren-Buffett-Business-Life/dp/0553384619/r

• Sam Walton: Made in America: https://www.amazon.com/Sam-Walton-Made-America/dp/0553562835

• Succession on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/succession

• In Depth podcast: https://review.firstround.com/podcast

• dbt community Slack: https://www.getdbt.com/community/join-the-community/

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