In March 2025, 200 natalists and their closest friends assembled in Austin, Texas for the second gathering of NatalCon, a convention intended to discover the core causes of declining birthrates and come up with solutions to address those problems. This week, Josh and June watched videos recorded from that convention to see what they were cooking. Turns out that it was mostly fascism.

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EPISODE ART: Kevin Dolan, the founder of Natalcon. Dolan posts on X under the pseudonym "Bennett's Phylactery" and was fired from his position as a data scientist at Booz Allen Hamilton after being doxxed in 2021.

FURTHER READING:

• "Surprise! Even Tradwives Like to Share Nudes, Talk About Sex, and Be Single" by Erin Vanderhoof (Vanity Fair, October 21, 2025)

AUDIO CLIPS:

• 34:48 – Kevin Dolan in his opening remarks at NatalCon 2025


• 44:02 – Jack Posobiec's speech at NatalCon 2025


• 47:42 – Carl Benjamin (aka Sargon of Akkad)'s speech at NatalCon 2025


• 57:45 – Indian Bronson's speech at NatalCon 2025


• 1:08:56 – Peachy Keenan's speech at NatalCon 2025


• 1:10:54 – Peachy Keenan's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued


• 1:17:29 – Carl Benjamin's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued


• 1:23:29 – Raw Egg Nationalist's speech at NatalCon 2025


• 1:35:24 – Michael Seifert's speech at NatalCon 2025


• 1:42:02 – Raw Egg Nationalist's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued


• 1:48:13 – Carl Benjamin's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued

SOURCES:

• The Natal Conference YouTube channel – contains links to all of the speeches mentioned in this episode


• “Giving entrepreneurs an 'EXIT' from cancel culture” by Matt Himes (The Blaze, June 7, 2024)


• “#4: You're going to be doxxed.” by Kevin Dolan (July 20, 2021)


• “The Eugenic Circus Comes to Town” by Brant Bingamon and Maggie Quinlan (The Austin Chronicle, November 2, 2023)


• “Revealed: US pro-birth conference’s links to far-right eugenicists” by Jason Wilson (The Guardian, September 4, 2023)


• “Tech bros and tradwives are unlikely allies in a little-known movement that’s gaining momentum” by Catherine E. Shoichet, Deborah Brunswick and Meena Duerson (CNN, April 10, 2025)


• “Eugenics Controversy Looms Over Natal Conference at UT’s AT&T Center” by Lucciana Choueiry (The Austin Chronicle, March 20, 2025)


• “Reflections on Natal-Con” by Bryan Caplan (March 31, 2025)


• “They say they want Americans to have more babies. What's beneath the surface?” by Lisa Hagen (NPR, April 25, 2025)