Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase, returns to catch up with Nathan on everything OpenAI, Amazon-Anthropic collab, and Google Deepmind. They also discuss Perplexity, deepfakes, and software bundling vs the Roman Empire. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 - Episode Preview

(00:02:42 ) - Nathan's experience using Code Interpreter for a React app

00:06:09 - Zvi's perspective on Code Interpreter and other new Anthropic products

(00:01 0:47 ) - Nathan's approach of "coding by analogy" using Code Interpreter

(00:13:43 ) Speculation on capabilities of upcoming Google Gemini model

(00:15:42 ) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky

(00:17:00 )- Performance degradation issues with large context windows

(00:19:25 ) - Estimating the value of Anthropic products for individuals and enterprises

(00:22:50 ) - The disconnect between Anthropic's value and what users are willing to pay

(00:31:56 ) - Predicting Gemini's capabilities relative to GPT-4

00:30:13 - Rating Code Interpreter's capabilities

00:33:02 - Dealing with unintentional vs. adversarial information pollution

(00:37:53 ) - Using Perplexity vs. Anthropic products for search

(00:44:11 ) - Potential for a bundled subscription for multiple AI services

(00:46:53 ) - Game industry bundling of services

(00:47:39 ) - Challenges of getting competitors to agree to bundling

(00:54:05 ) - Concerns over information pollution from synthetic content

(00:56:36 ) - Filtering adversarial vs. unintentional bogus information

(01:02:20 ) - Dangers of info pollution visible in Archive dataset

(01:03:53 ) - Progress and challenges of audio deepfakes

(01:11:15 ) - Kevin Fisher’s AI Souls demo with emotional voices

(01:12:15 ) - Difficulty of detecting AI voices/images for a general audience

(01:14:32 ) - Being optimistic about defending against deepfakes

(01:21:12 ) - The reversal curse in language models

(01:23:20 ) - Possible ways to address the reversal curse

(01:46:12 ) - Implications of Amazon investing in Anthropic

(01:49:20 ) - Non-standard terms likely affected the Anthropic valuation

(01:51:13 ) - Survey of the AI Safety landscape

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Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg

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