Opportunities amidst historic volatility
Digest
This podcast features Josh Schifrin discussing the current economic climate, focusing on the effects of tariffs, market volatility, and investment strategies. He analyzes the inflationary and growth-dampening impacts of tariffs, acknowledging uncertainty about the extent of their effect. Schifrin notes broken correlations between equities and interest rates, attributing this to Powell's hawkish stance and a rising risk premium in US assets. He compares current market fragility to that seen during COVID-19, concluding the current situation is less severe. The weakening US dollar is discussed, linked to policy shifts and weaker growth, impacting hedging strategies. Schifrin's investment recommendations include buying dips in risk assets, anticipating a steeper yield curve, lower oil prices, and a weaker dollar. He expresses cautious optimism, expecting calmer markets and higher equity prices in the medium term.
Outlines

Economic Impacts and Market Reactions
This segment introduces the impact of tariffs on inflation and growth, discusses market reactions including broken correlations between equities and interest rates due to Powell's hawkish speech and increased risk premium, and assesses current market fragility compared to the COVID-19 period.

Market Analysis and Investment Strategies
This section delves into Schifrin's analysis of market structure and fragility, comparing it to the COVID-19 period. He outlines his preferred investment strategies, focusing on buying dips in risk assets, anticipating a steeper yield curve, lower oil prices, and a weaker US dollar.

Outlook and Conclusion
This concluding segment offers Schifrin's outlook on the market, expressing anticipation for the outcome of the trade reprieve and a hope for calmer markets. The podcast concludes with a brief, informal discussion.
Keywords
Tariffs
Taxes on imported goods impacting inflation, economic growth, and international trade.
Risk Premium
Additional return for higher risk, influenced by economic uncertainty and market volatility.
Yield Curve
Relationship between interest rates and debt maturity, signaling economic conditions.
US Dollar
US currency, a major global reserve currency whose value fluctuates based on economic and geopolitical factors.
Hawkish
Monetary policy prioritizing inflation control over economic growth, often involving higher interest rates.
Market Volatility
Rapid and unpredictable price fluctuations in financial markets.
Economic Growth
Increase in the production of goods and services in an economy.
Inflation
A general increase in the prices of goods and services in an economy.
Investment Strategies
Approaches to investing money to achieve financial goals.
Hedging Strategies
Methods to reduce financial risk.
Q&A
What is the primary concern regarding the impact of tariffs on the US economy?
The main concern is the potential for a short, sharp economic downturn or a more prolonged recession. The magnitude of the impact on inflation and growth remains uncertain.
How did the market react to recent policy shifts?
Initially, equities fell and rates rallied. However, correlations broke down later, with rates rising sharply even as equities declined, partly due to Powell's hawkish comments and increased risk premium.
What is Schifrin's overall outlook and recommended investment strategy?
Schifrin suggests buying dips in risk assets, anticipating a steeper yield curve, lower oil prices, and a weaker US dollar. He maintains a long-term optimistic view.
How does Schifrin assess current market fragility?
While acknowledging fragility, particularly in the Treasury market, Schifrin notes it's less severe than during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Show Notes
As tariff announcements shake up the economic outlook, what’s the path for markets – and where are the opportunities now? Josh Schiffrin, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Financial Risk for Goldman Sachs Global Banking & Markets, discusses with Chris Hussey on the Goldman Sachs trading floor.
This episode was recorded on April 10, 2025.
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