DiscoverThe Bulwark PodcastS2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious
S2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious

S2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious

Update: 2025-04-013
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This podcast features two key segments. The first is an interview with Susan Rice, who expresses serious concerns about the current administration's foreign policy. She criticizes the dismantling of vital programs, undermining of democracy, alignment with authoritarian regimes (like Russia), abandonment of traditional allies, and an incoherent approach to Iran. The Signalgate scandal, involving the use of Signal for classified conversations, is also discussed, raising questions about security and the qualifications of current officials. The second segment details a Mother Jones investigation into the mass deportation of Venezuelans to El Salvador. Reporters interviewed families of deportees, uncovering a pattern of deportations based on flimsy evidence (like tattoos), bypassing due process, and lacking government transparency. The human cost of these actions is highlighted, emphasizing the lack of fair treatment for those deported.

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00:17:14
US Foreign Policy Under Scrutiny: Rice's Concerns and the Signalgate Scandal

Susan Rice criticizes the current administration's foreign policy, citing the dismantling of programs, support for authoritarian regimes, and the Signalgate scandal involving the use of unsecured messaging apps for classified information.

00:49:06
Mass Deportations to El Salvador: A Mother Jones Investigation

Mother Jones reporters expose the mass deportation of Venezuelans to El Salvador, highlighting the lack of due process, flimsy evidence used for deportation, and the resulting human cost. The investigation reveals a pattern of deception and a lack of government transparency.

Keywords

Signalgate


Scandal involving classified national security conversations on Signal, raising security and legal concerns.

Mass Deportation to El Salvador


Controversial deportation of Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador, bypassing due process and raising human rights concerns.

Due Process


Legal principle guaranteeing fair treatment; lacking in the El Salvador deportations.

Susan Rice


Former US National Security Advisor criticizing current foreign policy.

Mother Jones


Investigative journalism outlet reporting on the El Salvador deportations.

Venezuelan Migrants


Individuals deported to El Salvador despite asylum claims or lack of criminal records.

Foreign Policy


The current administration's approach to international relations, criticized by Susan Rice.

Authoritarian Regimes


Governments criticized for their lack of democratic principles, including Russia.

Q&A

  • What are Susan Rice's main concerns regarding the current administration's foreign policy?

    Rice criticizes the dismantling of programs, attacks on democracy, alignment with authoritarian regimes, abandonment of allies, and an incoherent approach to Iran, along with the Signalgate scandal.

  • What did the Mother Jones reporters find in their investigation of the El Salvador deportations?

    The reporters found mass deportations based on flimsy evidence, bypassing due process, and a lack of government transparency, causing significant human suffering.

  • What is the significance of the Signalgate scandal?

    Signalgate highlights the use of an insecure app for classified information, raising security and legal concerns.

Show Notes

The administration admits it mistakenly sent a Maryland father with protected status to the Salvadoran penal colony—but at the same time, it says the federal courts have no jurisdiction over him because he is now in a foreign country. If some of us have no due process, that opens the door to none of us having due process. Meanwhile, Trump's administration seems hellbent on destroying the U.S.-led world order, Marco Rubio is acting very un-American, and we actually do have long-standing protocols for how a president's national security team should discuss a military strike. Plus, Mother Jones reporters show the absurdity of ICE's assertions about migrant gang membership.



Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice, along with Noah Lanard and Isabela Dias, join Tim Miller.

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S2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious

S2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious

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