Spellbound w/ Kristen Hager
Digest
This Law & Order: SVU rewatch podcast covers various topics. The hosts provide updates on the ongoing Luigi case, expressing concerns about delays and the lack of an indictment. They recount their exciting experience on "Watch What Happens Live," detailing interactions with other guests and the overall atmosphere. A significant portion focuses on a detailed review of the "Spellbound" episode, analyzing the plot, characters, and themes, particularly the use of ayahuasca and the portrayal of a manipulative spiritual guru. The episode delves into the case of Declan Trask, a retreat leader who used hypnosis to commit sexual assault, highlighting the challenges of prosecuting such crimes. The podcast also includes an interview with an actress, discussing her acting career, including roles in Dick Wolf productions and her portrayal of Leslie Van Houten. Finally, the hosts debunk neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and discuss cult susceptibility.
Outlines

Introduction, Luigi Case Update & FBI Rembrandt Hoax
The podcast introduces itself as a Law & Order: SVU rewatch podcast. Hosts discuss recent activities, the Luigi case's postponements, and a viral video hoax about a Rembrandt heist.

Fan Reactions, White Lotus & Watch What Happens Live
Discussion of Luigi case follower reactions, transitioning to opinions on "White Lotus" and a recap of their "Watch What Happens Live" appearance.

"Watch What Happens Live" Recap & Post-Show Reflections
Detailed recap of the "Watch What Happens Live" experience, including pre-show preparation, interactions with guests, and post-show activities, along with social media reactions.

Tom Sandoval, Listener Mail & SVU "Spellbound" Review
Discussion of Tom Sandoval, listener mail, and a detailed review of the Law & Order: SVU episode "Spellbound," analyzing plot, characters, and themes.

The Case of Declan Trask: Investigation & Second Victim
The episode details the investigation into Declan Trask, a retreat leader accused of sexual assault using hypnosis, and the discovery of a second victim.

Hypnosis, Trask's Training & Sting Operation
The detectives uncover Trask's use of NLP and hypnosis, his training, and the subsequent sting operation to gather evidence.

Arrest, Trial & Testimony
Trask's arrest, trial, and the testimonies of the victims, including the introduction of unexpected evidence by the defense.

Trask's Past, Verdict & Aftermath
Revelation of Trask's past, the verdict, and discussion of the aftermath of the trial, including additional cases and an interview with Kristen Hager.

Actress Interview: Acting Challenges & Collaborations
An interview with Kristen Hager discussing her acting challenges, collaborations, and roles in various Dick Wolf productions.

Playing Leslie Van Houten & Current Projects
The actress recounts her preparation for playing Leslie Van Houten and discusses her current projects and future aspirations.

NLP Debunked & Cult Susceptibility
The hosts discuss neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), its classification as pseudoscience, and the potential for cult involvement.

Episode Wrap-up & Next Episode Preview
The hosts wrap up the episode, preview the next episode's topic, and thank their listeners and production team.
Keywords
Law & Order: SVU
A long-running crime drama television series focusing on the Special Victims Unit of the NYPD.
Luigi Case
A high-profile criminal case discussed throughout the podcast.
Watch What Happens Live
A Bravo late-night talk show hosted by Andy Cohen.
Hypnosis
An altered state of consciousness used in therapy but also exploitable for malicious purposes.
Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP)
A set of techniques used to influence thoughts and behaviors; considered pseudoscience.
Ayahuasca
A psychedelic brew used in spiritual ceremonies.
Cult Susceptibility
The vulnerability of individuals to manipulation and control within cults.
Sexual Assault
The crime of non-consensual sexual contact.
Leslie Van Houten
A member of the Manson Family, convicted for her involvement in the Tate-LaBianca murders.
Kristen Hager
Actress interviewed on the podcast.
Q&A
What are the hosts' main concerns regarding the Luigi case?
Delays, lack of indictment, and potential implications for the victim.
What was the hosts' experience like on "Watch What Happens Live"?
A dream come true; enjoyed interacting with guests and the overall atmosphere.
How does the "Spellbound" episode relate to real-world issues?
Highlights dangers of unregulated spiritual retreats and exploitation of vulnerable individuals.
How did the detectives prove Trask's guilt without date rape drugs?
They proved he used NLP and hypnosis to incapacitate his victims.
What was the significance of the audio recording introduced by the defense?
It was an attempt to cast doubt on the victim's testimony, but the prosecution argued the consent was invalid due to hypnosis.
What were some of the challenges the actress faced portraying Leslie Van Houten?
Intense research, emotional weight of the role, and portraying a real person involved in a notorious crime.
What is NLP, and what is its scientific standing?
A therapeutic approach focusing on language and communication to influence behavior; widely considered pseudoscience.
What are the actress's future acting aspirations?
To play a lawyer on Law & Order: SVU.
Show Notes
Today, Kara and Liza discuss “Spellbound” (Season 18, Episode 18), the disturbing crimes of lawyer/ hypnotist Michael Fine, and interview the wonderful Kristen Hager (Suits LA, Being Human).
SOURCES:
The New Yorker
The Virgin Islands Daily News
The New York Times
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Can Neurolinguistic Programming Really Transform Your Life?
Next week’s episode will be “Truth Embargo” (Season 25, Episode 2).
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