The REALITY of Off Market Deals In Real Estate (2025) | Ep 131 w/ Cole Ruud-Johnson
Digest
This podcast features Cold Rude Johnson, a successful off-market real estate investor, discussing his journey from early struggles to building a thriving business. He details his first deal, the importance of consistent effort over luck, and the transition from a "hustler" to an "operator" by systematizing his processes and building a team. The discussion covers tactical advice on finding off-market deals, focusing on absentee owners and utilizing lead generation strategies like skip tracing and compliant cold calling. Challenges like the "Do Not Call" list and conversion rates are addressed, along with the importance of CRM software (like Resimply and Forefront CRM) for KPI tracking and sales funnel optimization. The podcast also explores scaling strategies, including outsourcing, ethical acquisition practices, current trends in off-market deal finding, and the importance of consistent seller contact. Finally, Johnson shares three impactful books, two influential people, and a key quote that shaped his career.
Outlines

Introduction and Cold Rude Johnson's Real Estate Journey
The podcast introduces Cold Rude Johnson and his successful off-market real estate business, covering his background, early career challenges, and the significance of his first deal in building confidence and momentum.

Cold's First Deal, Growth, and Building Deal Flow
Details of Cold's first deal and subsequent growth, emphasizing consistent effort and skill-building. The transition from a "hustler" to an "operator" focusing on systematization and team work is discussed, along with his early deal flow strategies.

Tactical Advice, Cold Calling Challenges, and CRM Software
Tactical advice on finding off-market deals, targeting absentee owners, and lead generation strategies (skip tracing, compliant cold calling). Challenges of cold calling, conversion rates, and the importance of CRM software (Resimply, Forefront CRM) for KPI tracking are discussed.

Sales Funnel Metrics, Time Management, and Outsourcing
A detailed breakdown of the sales funnel, time management for solo operators, and strategies for scaling the business through outsourcing administrative, fulfillment, and marketing tasks. A "hiring ladder" approach is discussed.

Ethical Practices, Current Trends, and Key Influences
Ethical practices in off-market acquisitions, current trends in deal finding (consistent seller contact), and the importance of long-term perspective and realistic goals. Johnson shares three influential books, two people, and a key quote.
Keywords
Off-Market Real Estate
Strategies for acquiring properties not publicly listed, including direct outreach to potential sellers.
Cold Calling
Direct contact with potential leads without prior interaction, requiring effective scripting and compliance with regulations.
Lead Generation
Identifying and attracting potential customers in real estate through various methods.
Absentee Owner
An individual who owns a property but doesn't reside there, often a target for off-market investors.
Deal Flow
A consistent stream of potential real estate deals, crucial for long-term success.
KPI (Key Performance Indicator)
Measurable values demonstrating the effectiveness of business objectives.
Real Estate CRM Software
Software for managing leads, contacts, and tracking KPIs in real estate.
Sales Funnel Optimization
Improving the efficiency of the sales process by analyzing conversion rates.
Outsourcing in Real Estate
Delegating tasks to external providers to free up time for core business activities.
Ethical Real Estate Practices
Maintaining honesty and transparency in all real estate transactions.
Q&A
What is the most effective way to generate leads for off-market real estate deals?
Targeting absentee owners, using services like PropStream, and employing effective cold calling strategies with consistent follow-up.
How can someone transition from a "hustler" to an "operator"?
By building systems, hiring a team, and working *through* people instead of doing everything yourself.
What are some key KPIs to track in an off-market real estate business?
Track leads generated, cost per lead, conversion rates, and profit per deal.
How important is consistent follow-up?
Extremely important; many deals close after multiple contacts over an extended period.
What are the legal considerations for cold calling?
Adhere to the Do Not Call list and respect requests to be removed from contact lists.
What are key conversion rates from cold calling to a closed deal?
Highly variable, but a typical funnel might see a small percentage (1/25 to 1/50) converting to closed deals.
What CRM software is recommended?
User-friendly CRMs with KPI tracking, drip sequences, and integrated phone systems are recommended (Resimply and Forefront CRM are examples).
How can a solo investor ethically acquire properties over the phone?
Focus on being a solutions provider, be transparent, and offer help beyond just the highest price.
What are effective strategies for scaling an off-market real estate business?
Implement a "hiring ladder," starting by outsourcing administrative tasks, then fulfillment, and finally marketing.
What is the most important advice for someone starting in off-market real estate investing?
Focus on profit from the beginning, not just revenue or deal volume. Build systems and processes to maximize profitability.
Show Notes
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⢠The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer
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I donāt usually do deep dives like this, but todayās episode is the ultimate guide to finding off-market real estate deals! Cam & I sat down with Cole Ruud-Johnson, whoās mastered the art of cold calling, direct mail, and relationship-building to scale his investing business. We broke down exactly how he sources, negotiates, and closes dealsāno fluff, just real strategies you can use.
In this episode, we also talk about:Ā
⢠The #1 skill that makes a great cold caller
⢠The biggest mistakes investors make when finding deals
⢠How to structure a team for off-market deal flow
⢠The system Cole used to land his first big deal
⢠How to break into real estateāeven with no experience
⢠and SO much more!
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