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The Threat of Project 2025 on Climate

The Threat of Project 2025 on Climate

Update: 2024-09-172
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This podcast delves into the implications of Project 2025, a blueprint for a second Trump term developed by the Heritage Foundation, on climate and energy policy. The episode examines the blueprint's proposals to dismantle the EPA, withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement, and repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, highlighting the potential consequences for climate change mitigation and environmental protection. Climate reporter Zoya Tearstein discusses the far-reaching impact of Project 2025 on the administrative state, explaining how it aims to limit the EPA's regulatory power and eliminate the consideration of co-benefits in policy assessments. She also shares her reporting from Lake Charles, Louisiana, a community grappling with the effects of multiple consecutive disasters, highlighting the challenges faced by residents due to a weakened administrative state. Dr. Vernon Morris, a professor of chemistry and atmospheric sciences, emphasizes the vital role of NOAA and the National Weather Service in providing essential information for public safety and economic activity. He expresses concerns about the potential consequences of dismantling NOAA and privatizing its functions, including limited access to vital weather information and increased costs. The podcast explores the potential impact of Project 2025 on climate and energy policy, highlighting the concerns surrounding its proposed dismantling of the EPA, withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement, and weakening of the administrative state. It emphasizes the importance of a strong administrative state for effective disaster response and recovery, and the vital role of NOAA and the National Weather Service in providing essential information for public safety and economic activity.

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00:00:48
The Threat of Project 2025: Climate and Energy

This episode explores the potential impact of Project 2025 on climate and energy policy. It examines the Heritage Foundation's blueprint for a second Trump term, which includes dismantling the EPA, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, and repealing the Inflation Reduction Act. The episode features interviews with climate reporter Zoya Tearstein and Dr. Vernon Morris, a professor of chemistry and atmospheric sciences, who discuss the potential consequences of these policies.

00:06:21
Project 2025: A Sweeping Overhaul of the Federal Government

Climate reporter Zoya Tearstein discusses the scope and implications of Project 2025, highlighting its far-reaching impact on climate and environmental policy. She explains how the blueprint aims to weaken the administrative state, limit the EPA's ability to regulate emissions, and eliminate the consideration of co-benefits in policy assessments.

00:27:57
The Importance of NOAA and the National Weather Service

Dr. Vernon Morris, a professor of chemistry and atmospheric sciences, explains the vital role of NOAA and the National Weather Service in providing essential information for everyday life, from weather forecasts to fishing advisories. He emphasizes the agency's importance for public safety and economic activity.

00:38:56
The Impact of Climate Disasters and a Hobbled Administrative State

Zoya Tearstein shares her reporting from Lake Charles, Louisiana, a community that has been hit by four consecutive disasters. She highlights the ongoing recovery efforts and the challenges faced by residents due to a combination of natural disasters and a weakened administrative state.

Keywords

Project 2025


A blueprint for a second Trump term, developed by the Heritage Foundation, outlining a conservative agenda for the federal government. It includes proposals to dismantle the EPA, withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement, and repeal the Inflation Reduction Act.

Climate Alarmism


A term used by conservatives to dismiss the scientific consensus on climate change and downplay its severity. It suggests that concerns about climate change are exaggerated and harmful.

Administrative State


The system of government agencies and regulations that implement and enforce laws. Project 2025 aims to weaken the administrative state by reducing the role of career personnel and increasing the influence of political appointees.

Co-benefits


The positive side effects of a policy or regulation beyond its primary objective. Project 2025 seeks to prevent agencies from considering co-benefits, such as improved public health, when making policy decisions.

NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration)


A federal agency responsible for monitoring and predicting weather, climate, and ocean conditions. Project 2025 proposes dismantling NOAA and privatizing its functions, raising concerns about the impact on public safety and economic activity.

National Weather Service


A branch of NOAA that provides weather forecasts, warnings, and other weather-related information to the public. Project 2025 aims to privatize the National Weather Service, potentially limiting access to vital information and increasing costs.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)


A federal agency responsible for coordinating disaster relief efforts. Project 2025 proposes moving FEMA to another department, raising concerns about the impact on disaster response and recovery.

Inflation Reduction Act


A landmark piece of legislation passed by the Biden administration that invests in clean energy, climate change mitigation, and healthcare. Project 2025 calls for repealing the Inflation Reduction Act, potentially undermining efforts to address climate change and promote economic growth.

Q&A

  • What are the key climate and energy policy proposals outlined in Project 2025?

    Project 2025 proposes dismantling the EPA, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, repealing the Inflation Reduction Act, and eliminating the endangerment finding, which is the legal mechanism used to regulate emissions under the Clean Air Act.

  • How does Project 2025 aim to weaken the administrative state?

    Project 2025 seeks to reduce the role of career personnel in government agencies and increase the influence of political appointees. It also aims to limit the ability of agencies to enforce regulations and consider co-benefits in policy decisions.

  • What are the potential consequences of dismantling NOAA and privatizing the National Weather Service?

    Dismantling NOAA and privatizing the National Weather Service could limit access to vital weather information, increase costs, and potentially jeopardize public safety. It could also undermine the agency's ability to provide accurate and timely forecasts, which are essential for disaster preparedness and economic activity.

  • What are the implications of Project 2025 for communities already affected by climate disasters?

    Project 2025 could exacerbate the challenges faced by communities already affected by climate disasters by weakening the administrative state, limiting access to disaster relief resources, and potentially undermining the ability of agencies like FEMA to respond effectively.

  • What lessons can be learned from the Trump administration's record on climate and environmental policy?

    The Trump administration's record on climate and environmental policy suggests that a second Trump term could see the implementation of policies that are harmful to the environment and public health. The Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 blueprint provides a roadmap for a conservative agenda that could significantly roll back environmental regulations and undermine efforts to address climate change.

Show Notes

This week’s episode is a bit of a crossover. We’re sharing the fourth and final episode of MSNBC’s “The Threat of Project 2025” special series for the How to Win podcast. In this episode, Chris speaks with Grist climate reporter Zoya Teirstein for her take on Project 2025’s impact on climate and the environment, especially in communities already suffering from climate-related catastrophes. Then, Dr. Vernon Morris, a professor of chemistry and atmospheric sciences at Arizona State University, shares his experience working with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the important work at stake should NOAA be dismantled by this conservative agenda.

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The Threat of Project 2025 on Climate

The Threat of Project 2025 on Climate

Chris Hayes, Vernon Morris, Zoya Teirstein