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The Writer Danzy Senna on Kamala Harris and the Complexity of Biracial Identity in America

The Writer Danzy Senna on Kamala Harris and the Complexity of Biracial Identity in America

Update: 2024-08-30
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This podcast delves into the multifaceted experiences of biracial identity in America, featuring author Danzy Senna as the guest. Senna discusses the evolution of the term "mulatto" and its problematic origins, highlighting the societal expectations placed on biracial individuals. She shares her personal story of being a child of interracial marriage in the 1960s and the challenges her parents faced, introducing the concepts of the "loving generation" and the "hating generation." Senna also reflects on the historical context of her own biracial identity and the impact of the black power movement on her upbringing. The podcast further explores Senna's new novel, "Colored Television," which examines the experiences of a biracial novelist who turns to television writing. Senna reflects on the allure of television as a medium and the pressure to commodify one's identity for success. The chapter also examines the changing landscape of racial representation in media and the role of biracial identity in contemporary society.

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Exploring Biracial Identity in America

This chapter delves into the complexities of biracial identity in America, focusing on the experiences of author Danzy Senna. Senna discusses the evolution of the term "mulatto" and its problematic origins, as well as the societal expectations placed on biracial individuals. She also reflects on the historical context of her own biracial identity and the impact of the black power movement on her upbringing.

00:01:44
The "Hating Generation" and the Legacy of Interracial Marriage

Senna discusses the concept of the "loving generation" and the "hating generation" in relation to interracial marriage. She shares her personal story of being a child of interracial marriage in the 1960s and the challenges her parents faced. She also explores the complexities of her own identity, acknowledging the historical context of her family's involvement in the slave trade.

00:19:43
Navigating Identity in the World of Television

Senna discusses her new novel, "Colored Television," which explores the experiences of a biracial novelist who turns to television writing. She reflects on the allure of television as a medium and the pressure to commodify one's identity for success. The chapter also examines the changing landscape of racial representation in media and the role of biracial identity in contemporary society.

Keywords

Mulatto


A term historically used to describe individuals of mixed black and white ancestry. It has problematic origins rooted in the concept of racial mixing as unnatural and leading to sterility. However, Senna uses the term to reclaim its specificity and highlight the unique experiences of black and white Americans.

Biracial Identity


The experience of identifying with two or more racial groups. It is a complex and multifaceted concept that is shaped by historical, social, and cultural factors. Senna's work explores the challenges and opportunities of navigating biracial identity in a society that often struggles to understand and accept it.

Loving Generation


A term used to describe individuals born to interracial couples, particularly those who came of age after the legalization of interracial marriage in the United States. Senna uses the term "hating generation" to highlight the challenges and complexities faced by many biracial individuals, including the legacy of racism and the breakdown of their parents' relationships.

Multicultural Mayberry


A fictionalized vision of Pasadena, California, presented in Senna's novel as a diverse and prosperous town that represents a multiracial American dream. However, the novel also explores the limitations of this dream, particularly for those who lack the economic and social capital to fully participate in it.

Colored Television


Danzy Senna's novel that explores the experiences of a biracial novelist who turns to television writing. The novel examines the pressure to commodify one's identity for commercial gain and the challenges of navigating a society that often reduces biracial individuals to stereotypes.

Interracial Marriage


Marriage between individuals of different racial backgrounds. The podcast explores the historical context of interracial marriage in the United States, including the challenges faced by interracial couples and the impact of the "loving generation" and the "hating generation."

Racial Representation in Media


The portrayal of different racial groups in media, including television, film, and literature. The podcast discusses the changing landscape of racial representation in media and the role of biracial identity in contemporary society.

Q&A

  • How does Danzy Senna feel about the term "mulatto" and why does she choose to use it?

    Senna acknowledges the problematic origins of the term "mulatto," but she also appreciates its specificity and its connection to the history of the American slave trade. She prefers it to the more general term "biracial" because it accurately reflects the specific group she is discussing.

  • What is the "hating generation" and how does it relate to Senna's own experiences?

    The "hating generation" refers to individuals born to interracial couples who experienced the breakdown of their parents' relationships. Senna identifies with this generation, acknowledging that her own parents' marriage did not end in "loving" as the term "loving generation" suggests. She believes that this generation is often overlooked in discussions of interracial marriage and that their experiences are complex and nuanced.

  • How does Senna's novel "Colored Television" explore the complexities of biracial identity in contemporary society?

    Senna's novel follows a biracial novelist who turns to television writing in an attempt to achieve financial success. The novel explores the pressure to commodify one's identity for commercial gain and the challenges of navigating a society that often reduces biracial individuals to stereotypes. It also examines the changing landscape of racial representation in media and the role of biracial identity in contemporary society.

Show Notes

In fiction and nonfiction, the author Danzy Senna focusses on the experience of being biracial in a nation long obsessed with color lines. Now that Kamala Harris is the Democratic candidate for President, some of Senna’s concerns have come to the fore in political life. Donald Trump attacked Harris as a kind of race manipulator, implying that she had been Indian American before becoming Black for strategic purposes.  The claim was bizarre and false, but Senna feels that it reflected a mind-set in white America. “Mixed-race people are sort of up for debate and speculation, and there’s a real return to the idea that your appearance is what matters, not what your background is or your identity,” she tells Julian Lucas, who wrote about Senna’s work in The New Yorker.  “And if your appearance is unclear to us, then we’re going to debate you and we’re going to discount you and we’re going to accuse you of being an impostor.”  Senna talks about why she describes people like herself and Lucas using the old word “mulatto,” despite its racist etymology. “The word ‘biracial’ or ‘multiracial’ to me is completely meaningless,” she says, “because I don’t know which races were mixing.  And those things matter when we’re talking about identity.”  Senna’s newest novel, “Colored Television,” follows a literary writer somewhat like herself, trying to find a new career in the more lucrative world of TV.

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The Writer Danzy Senna on Kamala Harris and the Complexity of Biracial Identity in America

The Writer Danzy Senna on Kamala Harris and the Complexity of Biracial Identity in America

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