Threatened with Excommunication TWICE in Tennessee - Todd and Lindsay McCormick | Ep. 2027
Digest
This two-part podcast episode follows Lindsey and Todd McCormick, a Mormon couple from Knoxville, Tennessee, as they navigate a faith crisis that culminates in a threat of excommunication. Their journey begins with a period of financial hardship and spiritual stagnation around 2014. They detail their upbringing within the Mormon faith, highlighting Lindsey's family's deep Mormon roots and musical background, and Todd's mission to France. Their initial questioning of Mormon doctrine stems from a Sunday school lesson, a confusing temple experience, and a critical examination of scriptures. They discuss the challenges of independent scriptural study, the church's response to their questioning, and the growing discomfort within their community. Their evolving beliefs, particularly regarding the role of women and the church's financial practices, lead to increased scrutiny and suspicion. The couple's decision to stop wearing temple garments and their diverging views on various doctrines further fuel this scrutiny. Rumors spread, and they eventually meet with the stake president, facing accusations based on seemingly trivial matters, such as a conversation about a mall and a joke about wine. The couple highlights the lack of due process and fairness in the disciplinary council, ultimately leading to their decision to resign from the church and share their story publicly. They discuss the impact on their family relationships and their journey toward healing and reconciliation. The episode concludes with a call to action, encouraging listeners to support the podcast and apply to be guests.
Outlines

Introduction and Family Background
Introduction to Lindsey and Todd McCormick and their family's deep Mormon roots, their move to Tennessee, and the context of their impending excommunication.

Mormon Upbringing and Early Influences
Lindsey and Todd describe their individual upbringings within Mormonism, including Lindsey's relatively relaxed environment and Todd's mission to France. This section also covers their meeting and marriage.

The Seeds of Doubt: Early Questioning
The McCormicks discuss the events leading to their faith crisis, including financial hardship, spiritual stagnation, and critical examination of scriptures and church teachings.

Catalysts for Deconstruction and Initial Reactions
Specific events and teachings that catalyzed their faith deconstruction are detailed, along with initial reactions from family and friends.

Loss of Trust and Shifting Perspectives
The couple's growing awareness of the church's treatment of women and their own scriptural study lead to a loss of trust in church leadership.

Growing Tensions and Community Scrutiny
Increasing tensions within their community are described, highlighting the discomfort caused by their questioning of church doctrines and practices.

The Witch Hunt and its Consequences
The couple describes the increasing scrutiny and suspicion from their community, leading to a feeling of being ostracized.

Deconstruction of Core Beliefs and Financial Success
The McCormicks detail their deconstruction of core Mormon beliefs, including the garment and temple rituals, and how their financial success contributed to suspicion and jealousy.

The Threat of Excommunication and Disciplinary Council
The couple recounts the rumors, the meeting with the stake president, and the threat of excommunication.

Authenticity, Anxiety, and the Utah Reunion
The couple's decision to prioritize authenticity over conformity leads to increased anxiety but also connects them with others experiencing similar struggles.

Early Conflicts and Accusations
The McCormicks recount early conflicts within their Mormon ward, including accusations of patent theft and the church's failure to address the situation.

Escalating Conflicts and the Volleyball Team Incident
The McCormicks describe increasing difficulties within their ward, including the formation of a ward volleyball team seemingly designed to exclude them.

Investigating the Letters and Lack of Due Process
The McCormicks question the legitimacy of the letters used to justify the disciplinary council, revealing inconsistencies and the apparent orchestration of the accusations.

The Kangaroo Court and Social Lynching
The McCormicks describe the disciplinary council as a "kangaroo court" and a "spiritual, social lynching," emphasizing the devastating social consequences of excommunication.

Resignation and Sharing Their Story
The McCormicks explain their decision to resign from the church and finally share their story publicly.

Impact on Family Relationships and Healing
The McCormicks discuss the impact of their decision on their family relationships and their journey toward healing and reconciliation.

Conclusion and Call to Action
The hosts thank donors, encourage listeners to support the podcast, and invite listeners to apply to be guests on the show.
Keywords
Faith Deconstruction
The process of questioning and reevaluating one's religious beliefs.
Mormonism
The faith and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Excommunication
The formal expulsion of a member from a religious community.
Faith Crisis
A period of doubt and questioning regarding one's religious beliefs.
Disciplinary Council
A church hearing to address alleged violations of church doctrine.
Apostasy
The renunciation of one's faith or beliefs.
Temple Garments
Sacred undergarments worn by devout Mormons.
Feminine Divine
The concept of a female deity in Mormon theology.
Mormon Stories
A podcast and website sharing personal experiences related to Mormonism.
Donations
Financial contributions supporting the podcast's production.
Q&A
What were the main events that triggered Lindsey and Todd's faith crisis?
Financial hardship, spiritual stagnation, a critical Sunday school lesson, and a confusing temple experience.
How did their approach to faith deconstruction differ from typical narratives?
They began by questioning other aspects of their lives before focusing on religious beliefs.
What specific doctrinal issues caused the most significant challenges?
Contradictions in scriptures, condemnation of wealth, and unquestioning faith in leaders.
How did their family dynamic influence their faith journey?
Strong family ties provided support, even amidst tension.
What role did scripture study play in their deconstruction?
Deeper study revealed inconsistencies and allowed for reinterpretation.
How did initial questioning evolve into a full-blown crisis?
Independent study and awareness of the church's treatment of dissenters led to a loss of trust.
What role did family and community relationships play?
Initial resistance, later connection with others experiencing similar doubts.
How did prioritizing authenticity impact their lives?
Increased anxiety and conflict, but also connection with others and a shift in their relationship with the church.
What were the key doctrinal issues they questioned?
Infallibility of prophets, historical accuracy of teachings, role of women, polygamy, and temple garments.
What advice would they give to others?
Honest self-reflection, independent study, support from others, and prioritizing authenticity and mental health.
What were the main reasons for the excommunication threat?
Trivial matters amplified by a disgruntled former employee, highlighting a lack of due process.
How did church leadership's actions impact their family and friendships?
Created significant rifts and strained friendships, causing emotional distress.
What is the significance of excommunication in Mormonism?
Severe punishment, loss of temple blessings, severed eternal family relationships, and social isolation.
What led the McCormicks to resign?
Abusive and unfair treatment from church leadership and a disciplinary council based on fabricated accusations.
What message do they hope to convey?
Raise awareness of potential abuse in religious institutions and encourage open dialogue about faith transitions.
How can listeners support the podcast?
Monthly/annual donations, subscriptions, sharing episodes, leaving comments, and emailing the hosts.
How can someone become a guest?
Submit a three-minute video and complete the application form on MormonStorage.org.
Show Notes
Lindsay and Todd McCormick, a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee, share their powerful and emotional journey navigating faith, doubt, and community pressure within the LDS Church. From their musical Mormon upbringing and successful business ventures to being threatened twice with excommunication, this interview dives deep into the cost of questioning and choosing authenticity over conformity.
They open up about their faith crisis, the controversial City Creek Mall, navigating parenthood in the church, and ultimately, their heartbreaking experience with betrayal from close friends and leaders. Through all of it, their love for each other and desire for truth remained steadfast.
Topics include:
-Faith deconstruction and polygamy
-Church discipline and double standards
-Excommunication threats and “apostasy”
-Cultural expectations, identity, and healing
-Choosing honesty over fear in Mormonism
-Watch their raw and courageous story unfold.
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00:00:56 Introductions
00:03:14 Lindsay’s Mormon story
00:10:23 Gender expectations growing up
00:14:48 Lindsay started a photography business
00:17:15 Todd’s Mormon story
00:21:40 They met on her birthday and married in the Nauvoo Temple
00:24:06 When did their faith journey begin and their doubts?
00:25:47 How did the threats for excommunication start?
00:35:11 Todd didn’t feel inspired, he felt stagnant
00:36:30 They started their Photo Barn business and became successful overnight
00:41:55 Story of them in the temple and Lindsay thinking critically
00:43:33 Story of them in Sunday School and the prophets not leading them astray
00:50:21 The next catalyst happened on a ward temple trip
00:55:00 They chose to start over in all of their beliefs, taking subjects one by one, etc.
01:10:04 They realized the Doctrine and Covenants was a mess
01:16:22 The Word of Wisdom is confusing
01:29:20 They gave talks in Sacrament Meeting and were corrected publicly
01:31:08 “There is a case being built against the McCormicks”
01:33:55 Facing excommunication or baptizing their eight year old
01:37:13 Not being authentic can really hurt your physical and mental health
01:57:36 It’s a testament to how much they love the church that they attended for years
02:01:08 The person in the bishopric that worked for them that they let go
02:07:45 They got a message that the Stake President wanted to meet with them
02:12:05 They presented seven letters in a folder, less letters than before
02:17:58 Her friend repeated that Lindsay joked about wine
02:21:09 What happens when you get excommunicated
02:32:30 One critical part of the story - telling the leaders that they needed a warning
02:38:32 They were shocked when they found out that they were NOT getting excommunicated
02:41:49 How has the membership played out after this moment?
02:49:18 Nathan apologized for how he treated her when she left the church
02:59:14 I didn’t leave the church AT you, it’s just our path
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