Crime and Roses

This month, Megan covers a story that she mentioned in passing a few months ago, and Danielle demanded to know more about. This one's for you, babe! Megan talks about the assassinations of Harvey Milk and George Moscone, and the resulting “White Night” Riots. Harvey Milk was the first non-incumbent, openly gay elected official in the United States, and was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Mayor, George Moscone, was his political ally. However, on November 27, 1978, they were gunned down by a coworker, fellow Supervisor, Dan White. The jury’s verdict left not only Danielle absolutely shocked, but also shocked the entire city of San Francisco. CONTENT WARNING: police brutality, brief mention of suicide --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We made it through this season of the Bachelorette! In the actual finale, we see Rachel and Tino get engaged and break up, we see Gabby and Erich get engaged. We see cheating scandals, but what we don’t see is a discussion regarding Erich’s high school yearbook photos in Blackface. This refusal to discuss Blackface and racism was incredibly upsetting for both of us, so Megan used it as inspiration for this week’s story. Megan also used this opportunity to discuss some of the history of Blackface, so that people can hopefully better understand why it’s racist. Alyssa was a beautiful young mother who was headed to work one day in Carrollton, Texas, when she was shot behind the wheel of her car and then was stabbed. Witnesses tell the police that the perpetrator was a 6ft tall Black man, wearing all black and some sort of face covering. However, Alyssa’s family knew exactly who they believed to be responsible… (Story Starts at: 16:08) CONTENT WARNING: Domestic Violence Homicide, Discussion of Blackface, and Racism **This case is ongoing, all accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty.** Also, in case you have not yet seen, we are taking a break from the pod. We have been podcasting nonstop for two and a half years and need to step away for a moment. We will not be recapping or posting during the Bachelor in Paradise season and we would encourage you to check out our back catalog of episodes for all your Bachelor Franchise and true crime needs. We will be recording a true crime story for Patreon, and then all Patreon memberships will be paused during our break. While we’re gone, always remember that we love you, mean it. Talk to you soon. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Last week Rachel decided to break up with Aven because she really wanted Tino all along. With Aven’s departure, that marked the last contestant of color for this season. Danielle picked Aven as the connection this week. Aven’s cast bios on ABC said QUOTE: “Aven is a Yahtzee champ and describes his game play as intense.” Tamara was a mother of three living in the great state of Minnesota. Tamara was unfortunately murdered on December 27, 2010. Details of her disappearance didn’t add up until there was a shocking confession… which included an argument over Yahtzee (Story Starts at: 6:47) You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the 9 of Mirrors aka Blindsided. The name truly says it all, and y’all, one of our Bachelorettes was certainly blindsided. This episode was truly dramatic. We see two engagements, one break-up, one happy couple, one newly single Bachelorette, yet zero conversations about Blackface. Honestly, hearing and seeing Tino speak to Rachel this way was pretty triggering, we’ve both certainly been there. Jesse announces the next Bachelor, and surprise, it’s Zach Shallcross who gives out his first impression rose. All of this, and yet, we don’t get any time to discuss why Blackface is blatantly racist…? We finally can have a BIPOC highlight in this episode, after weeks of just seeing white men (plus Aven). In this episode we saw Aven make a surprise appearance and we had Bachelorette royalty with Michelle in the building. Also, Zach met 5 women from his upcoming season, including the gorgeous Brianna! We are absolutely disgusted that there was no mention of Erich’s recent controversy: wearing Blackface. This franchise has not lived up to its promise of diversity and inclusion by refusing to discuss this important topic. Lest we forget, Erich is engaged to a woman of color. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Last week during Fantasy Suite dates, we saw Jason and Gabby get to play some tennis, in what felt like a very normal type of date for them. Also, it’s very important to note that Jason was a pretty bad ass tennis player in his own right, and was a NCAA All American in college! Danielle again came in clutch for Megan and found a tennis related story on TikTok, thanks girl! Monica Seles was also a badass on the tennis courts. She starts training at 5 years old, and plays in her first pro tournament at 14. Her first year on the professional women’s tour she ends up ranked six IN THE WORLD. Her career is on the rise! She and Steffi Graff are back and forth with titles and wins, that is, until the Citizen Cup of 1993, where things would take a drastic turn for Monica. (Story Starts at: 14:04) CONTENT WARNING: Binge Eating and Suicide Links Discussed in the Episode: Brahms' Lullaby You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the 10 of Mirrors aka Rejected. This card is all about despair, loss, resistance to change, and hysterics… This DEFINITELY fits. This week is the first part of the finale, which really could have been an email. We see the conclusion of the rose ceremony, where Zach pulled Rachel to chat. We also see Aven meet the family, which goes well at first and then takes a turn for the worst. Erich meets Gabby’s family and we get to see our favorite, Grandpa John. Tino meets Rachel’s family and he thinks it goes really well, but we think it was awkward sauce. We see Aven and Rachel’s final date and breakup. Jesse tells us that next week’s finale finale will be THREE HOURS long, and we get a Bachelor announcement? You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Six of Rings aka Quality Time for part 1 and we think it applies for part 2 as well. This card is all about giving and receiving, generosity, and offering. And honestly? We love that for Gabby and Rachel, truly. This week we are continuing our conversation about Fantasy Suites. We see the fall out from the Erich and Gabby bridge rendezvous. We see Gabby and Jason (AKA Josh, because Danielle still can’t get it right) have their date, which leads to a breakup in the morning. We also see Rachel and Zach. In the morning Zach’s whole demeanor has changed and he needs Jesse to help figure things out. We see Gabby tell Erich he is the only one left and we get a cliffhanger rose ceremony, when Zach interrupts to talk to Rachel. OAN: we finished Jake Pavelka’s season the Bachelor on Patreon. Go listen to all the episodes and watch it with us on Hulu! You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Six of Rings aka Quality Time. This card is all about giving and receiving, generosity, and offering. And honestly? We love that for Gabby and Rachel, truly. This week we’re talking about the first part of the Fantasy Suite Dates! We see Rachel and Aven, Gabby and Erich, Rachel and Tino, and Gabby and Johnny. It seems like tensions are high for Gabby and Erich who later have a secret rendezvous on the bridge that Megan dramatically reenacts. Tensions are still high from Hometown dates for Rachel and Tino, his family is really not her biggest fan. Aven’s date is constantly interrupted by the insecure sweating and sobbing by Tino. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Last week on the Bachelorette we saw Men Tell All (which was a snooze fest). One thing that we can always count on from the Bachelorette, is the bromance between the men. Danielle is telling a story based on friendship. Sarah Stern went missing in December of 2016. Her friend, Liam, was the last to see her alive and his alibi checked out, so he was law enforcement’s greatest asset. It wasn’t until another friend came forward, agreed to go undercover to record Liam, that the true story was brought to life. Liam had a disgusting plot to take Sarah’s life for money. (Story Starts at: 8:59) CONTENT WARNING: Suicide Links Discussed in the Episode: Sarah Lee Stern Scholarship Fund You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

First of all, we cannot believe it is our 200th episode. Thank you all so much for your continued support. We love you and we mean it. Last week on the Bachelorette, it was Hometown Date week! We joined Tyler and Rachel in Tyler’s hometown of Wildwood, New Jersey, the location for this case. This week Megan covers the story of the death of Susan Negersmith, who went to Wildwood for a fun weekend with friends over Memorial Day Weekend 1990. Unfortunately, Susan would never be seen alive again. Her assault and death would go unsolved for nearly twenty eight years, and without the relentless advocacy of her father, Kent, might still be unsolved today. This story remains ongoing.All accused persons remain innocent until proven guilty. (Story Starts at: 6:40) Also, thanks Danielle for finding this case! CONTENT WARNING: Sexual Assault You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Queen of Roses aka the Beauty Queen. This card is all about self-confidence, self motivation, and independence. This week we see an episode of filler. We start with Aven’s hometown, which is hella disrespectful for them to leave off last week. We get that they didn’t have anything to talk about, but they could have picked someone else to do dirty. We also see men talk shit about men that are not there, hot seats from Logan and Nate. We also see lots of ads for shit we can’t afford, or don’t want, and do not care about. The end. We highlight BIPOC contestants because we believe it is important to highlight those who we see on our screen, because representation matters. This week we are highlighting Aven. We saw little from Aven when he wasn’t making out with Rachel or shirtless. It was hella disrespectful to not show us his hometown date with the rest, but really enjoyed his parents. Aven deserves better, follow him here! You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing a Patreon story to the masses as an example of the types of cases that we cover as bonus content! If you want more of these high profile and in-depth cases, make sure to check out our Patreon options. Michael Vick was an incredible athlete from a very young age. He worked hard to build a life for himself that was out of the ordinary for the community he came from. But his idea to create and fund a criminal enterprise surrounding vicious and inhumane dog fighting became his downfall and legacy. Danielle does a deep dive into Michael's life, his crimes, the investigation, and the aftermath of the sweet pit bulls of Bad Newz Kennels. CONTENT WARNING: Animal abuse, animal cruelty, some graphic details You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Eight of Flutes aka The Self Elimination. This card is all about awareness, walking away from what doesn’t serve you, and making those difficult decisions. We’ve made it to hometowns! Because of our hometown football team (Falcons Rise Up), Megan is completely unable to watch this episode. But, have no fear, Danielle was still able to watch and she recaps it all for you! Going into this episode, we expected seven hometown dates; we really get six(ish)... We head to New Orleans for a hometown date with Jason and all of Bachelor Nation falls in love with his mother and father. Zach’s hometown date also goes really well, and Rachel gets to meet his Uncle Kronk. Johnny flips the script and has Gabby meet his family before the date portion. We meet and fall in love with Erich’s family and his father Allan, who passed away in early July. Things start to go left with Tyler’s hometown date on the boardwalk in Wildwood, New Jersey… only continue to go left during Tino’s date, where Rachel is feeling hated. To Erich and the Schwer family, you have our deepest condolences on your loss. May Allan’s memory be his legacy. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Last week on the Bachelorette the episode focused way too much on Logan. He decided he wasn’t feeling it with Rachel, wanted to switch to Gabby’s “team” (his words not ours we hate it actually) and created a sort of love triangle. Logan is a Southern California guy who grew up surfing and kayaking. Which led Megan down a rabbit hole across the waters to another location frequented by surfers, Hawaii. This week, Megan tells the story of Catherine Walker, who truly sounds like a sweet and loving person. She was murdered in 2014 in her Honolulu, Hawaii home, when her Army Medic husband, Michael, was working. Soon after her death, the truth comes out… and Michael was not the man Catherine thought he was. (Story starts at: 2:38) CONTENT WARNING: Mention of Suicide, Sexually Exploitative Media of Children, Child Sexual Assault. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

This week finds us in Amsterdam! There is only ONE week until hometowns and we have no idea how we got here. This week we see the pressure mount, because a rose this week means hometowns next week. We see a heartbreaking one on one with Gabby and Nate. Gabby cried … Nate cried … Danielle cried. We also see a one on one between Rachel and Zach (we stan a therapy king). We also see two group dates, one with whips and one with cheese. We say goodbye to Ethan and Nate this week. We highlighted Ethan in episode 193 and Nate in episode 187. Check out those episodes to hear more about them and check out our cast bio episode on Patreon. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Hometowns are ONLY two weeks away on The Bachelorette! We feel like we are in a time warp and this season is so fast but also so slow. The last couple of weeks, Gabby has shared her experience with her estrangement from her mother. We appreciate her openness in sharing the way she processed her trauma, it is so important for people to see. This week Danielle covers a story of a really bad dad. Mick Philpott never contributed to the upbringing or financial burden created by his 17 children with 5 different women. When his “mistress” left him and took her children, Mick came up with a diabolical plan that would take the lives of 6 of his other children by fire. (Story Starts at 15:02) CONTENT WARNING: Child Victims, Sexual Assault, and Brief Mention of Suicide Links Discussed in the Episode: Misfits (Season 1 Trailer - available on Hulu now in the US) You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Join us on Patreon for the full cast bios starting at the $3 level, as we talk about the men of Gabby and Rachel’s season of the Bachelorette. We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Three of Roses aka The Next Destination. This card is all about progression, expansion, flourishing, and of course, travel. And our new destination of the week is Bruges, Belgium! Unfortunately, the episode focuses on Logan WAY TOO MUCH. We see Logan say he wants to be with Gabby over Rachel and how that affects all the men. We see another canceled date from Rachel. We also see some connections growing even stronger on the love boat! Rachel and Aven explore the city in their one-on-one, and Johnny and Gabby have a beer themed spa date. We highlight BIPOC contestants because we believe it is important to highlight those who we see on our screen, because representation matters. This week we are highlighting our fav Ethan! We loved Ethan’s vibe since cast bios and are glad he got some deserved and highly anticipated screen time. Follow Ethan here! Links Discussed in the Episode: Crime and Roses Episode 16: The Murder of Chiquita Tate and the Murders of Zaniya Ivery, Amarah "Jerica" & Camaria Banks You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

This week is a listener suggestion! Unfortunately, Danielle didn’t tell Megan who submitted this recommendation so we can’t shout you out but we so very much and we sincerely appreciate the suggestion. This story takes us near Tampa, Florida, which happens to be the ABC bio hometown of two contestants this season - Hayden and Jordan H. This story begins in 1975 when 15 year-old Elaine Ziegler goes missing one night from a campground near Spring Hill, Florida. Five years later, 21 year-old Sandra Graham disappears in Tampa. About a month later, 16 year-old Theresa Fillingim also disappeared from the Tampa area. This case is then connected to the 1980 murder of Rene’ Saling in Watsonville, California? You have to hear it to believe it. (Story Starts at 3:30) CONTENT WARNING: Child Victims, Sexual Assault, Child Molestation You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

 Join us on Patreon for the full cast bios starting at the $3 level, as we talk about the men of Gabby and Rachel’s season of the Bachelorette. We are bringing back the tarot readings for every episode of Gabby and Rachel’s season of The Bachelorette. Megan asked the Final Rose Tarot cards what we can expect from this season. Megan pulled the Five of Mirrors aka The Tattletale. This card is all about scheming, conflict, and plans backfiring. There’s definitely a Tattletale in this episode… Hello, Meatball. This week the ladies say adieu to L.A. and bonjour à Paris, the City of Love. This week we see one-on-one dates with Gabby and Jason, plus Rachel and Tino. We see Rachel’s … I mean … Gabby’s boxing group date. We also see the most AWKWARD group date, where the men flirt in weird ways, Rachel smells armpits and the men french their own hands. WTF. We highlight BIPOC contestants because we believe it is important to highlight those who we see on our screen, because representation matters. This week we are saying goodbye and highlighting Quincey. We have a feeling he will be beach bound in the future. You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support

Last week we were SHOOKETH to the core, when Jordan V. was sent home on a one-on-one with Rachel. Jordan is from Georgia, so we are covering a hometown case. Thanks Kelcee for the recommendation, if you have a story you want us to cover, send us an email or DM. Sparkle Rai was pregnant after recently marrying the love of her life and moving to Georgia. Her murder remained unsolved for 3 years, until someone came forward with a story that would highlight the most unlikely suspect, her father-in-law. Law enforcement would soon find out that Sparkle’s in-laws, who she thought were dead, did not approve of her marriage because of her race. Her father-in-law would stop at NOTHING to make sure she didn’t join the family. (Story Starts at: 9:38) You can always connect with us at: linktr.ee/CrimeandRoses. There you can see links to our podcast and social media platforms. You can support the podcast by becoming a Patreon Member at: www.patreon.com/CrimeAndRoses. We have several levels of membership, and we truly love you, mean it. Always feel free to email us at: CrimeandRoses@gmail.com. Send us true crime story suggestions and any questions or comments you may have. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/crimeandroses/support