DiscoverLex Fridman Podcast#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature
#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Update: 2025-10-01
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Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.

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Transcript:

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EPISODE LINKS:

Pavel’s Telegram: https://t.me/durov

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Telegram: https://telegram.org/

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OUTLINE:

(00:00 ) – Introduction

(02:46 ) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections

(11:29 ) – Philosophy of freedom

(14:37 ) – No alcohol

(22:42 ) – No phone

(28:38 ) – Discipline

(49:50 ) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics

(1:05:12 ) – Arrest in France

(1:21:23 ) – Romanian elections

(1:32:18 ) – Power and corruption

(1:41:50 ) – Intense education

(1:53:51 ) – Nikolai Durov

(1:58:19 ) – Programming and video games

(2:02:33 ) – VK origins & engineering

(2:19:46 ) – Hiring a great team

(2:29:02 ) – Telegram engineering & design

(2:48:04 ) – Encryption

(2:53:01 ) – Open source

(2:57:48 ) – Edward Snowden

(3:00:20 ) – Intelligence agencies

(3:01:32 ) – Iran and Russia government pressure

(3:04:41 ) – Apple

(3:11:38 ) – Poisoning

(3:43:53 ) – Money

(3:52:45 ) – TON

(4:02:35 ) – Bitcoin

(4:05:34 ) – Two chairs dilemma

(4:12:14 ) – Children

(4:23:24 ) – Father

(4:27:55 ) – Quantum immortality

(4:34:27 ) – Kafka


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#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

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