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Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena

Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena

Update: 2025-04-14
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Deb and Kenji are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic episode from our friends at Sidedoor, "America’s Unknown Celebrity Chef". 

For more information, visit Sidedoor's episode page, and subscribe to Sidedoor on your favorite podcast player.

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When Lena Richard cooked her first chicken on television, she beat Julia Child to the screen by over a decade. At a time when most African American women cooks worked behind swinging kitchen doors, Richard claimed her place as a culinary authority, broadcasting in the living rooms of New Orleans’s elite white families. She was an entrepreneur, educator, author, and an icon – and her legacy lives on in her recipes. Today: her improbable rise to prominence, and her famous gumbo.



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Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena

Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena

Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt