In some ways the state capitol is like theater. In other ways, it really IS theater. Guests: Sam Fettig and Jim Schowalter 

0:00- Introductions 
5:25 Do you remember a moment when you were younger when something with your work went differently than you expected it to? 
8:06 How are hierarchies important in the capitol? 
15:10 When working in communications, are you really a spin doctor? 
21:29 If people are confused by the performance, how do you recommend they can find out what’s really happening? 
24:45 Do you remember a moment that clarified for you what was important at the capitol? 
30:14 Is the conflict performative? 
41:25 How do you personally emotionally endure the way these issues affect people? 
43:58 Was this particular session different?
50:24 What’s happening in “the room” where deals are getting made?