Today's interviewee has been my white whale for a while. Edward Luttwak was born in 1942, and since then he's lived a wilder life than anyone I know. From Chairman Mao's funeral to late nights drinking with Putin, Luttwak's seen it all.

Timestamps:

(00:00 ) Introduction

(1:30 ) How to stage a coup in the 21st century

(8:21 ) Why Luttwak is responsible for a global decline in coups

(16:57 ) Iran’s real goals in the Middle East

(27:30 ) Why the CIA can’t go undercover or recruit talent

(41:11 ) Staffing Reagan’s presidential transition team

(44:03 ) Why we need more waste at the Pentagon

(57:31 ) How the war in Ukraine will end

(1:03:47 ) China’s great military challenge

(1:07:46 ) Snorkeling in French Polynesia

(1:09:48 ) Working for a Kazakh dictator

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