Is antisemitism the next chapter of “America First”? Many see the appeal of antisemitic ideas among younger conservatives as a natural consequence of a hard right nationalist turn. Yoram Hazony — a prominent advocate of nationalist politics — is trying to keep that from happening. He joins Ross to discuss the root of right-wing antisemitism and what right-wing leaders should do about it.

• 02:12 - Just how bad is antisemitism on the right?
• 06:24 - The generational and theological rebellion
• 14:35 - “The virtues of nationalism” and an American cultural center
• 25:33 - Foreign policy under nationalism
• 29:59 - The U.S. - Israel Relationship and antisemitism
• 45:59 - What can nationalist leaders do about antisemitism

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.