In this special Need to Know SCIF debut episode, award-winning journalist and series co-creator Bryce Zabel hosts a powerful roundtable with three leading voices in the UAP community: Jason Guillemette (UAP Studies Podcast), Ryan Robbins (Post Disclosure World), and Need to Know producer Tyler Stevens. Together, they unpack the explosive claims made by Ross Coulthart in the most recent episode of Need to Know — particularly the suggestion that the now-infamous Tic Tac UFO witnessed by Navy pilots off the coast of San Diego may not be extraterrestrial at all, but instead a product of secretive human engineering, possibly tied to Lockheed Martin.

The conversation revisits the background of the 2004 USS Nimitz encounter, where highly trained U.S. military personnel observed a Tic Tac-shaped object performing maneuvers that defied known physics. The panel discusses the implications of these objects being operated with electrogravitic propulsion systems — a form of advanced, possibly suppressed technology — and how such capabilities could be hidden under the guise of “drone impunity,” allowing classified programs to operate in plain sight.

The discussion explores the deeper tension between the public’s demand for disclosure and the government’s history of obfuscation, raising questions about who truly controls this technology and whether the narrative is being manipulated. With each guest bringing a unique perspective — from podcast journalism to deep research and production — this episode offers one of the most direct, critical conversations yet on the true nature of the Tic Tac and the battle over UAP transparency.