Revealing the unknown unknowns in your software
Update: 2025-11-07
Description
Ryan welcomes Nic Benders to discuss the complexity and abstraction crisis in software development, the importance of going beyond observability into understandability, and demystifying AI's opacity for understanding and control.
Episode notes:
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