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Rise of Populism: Tom Bilyeu and Michael Malice Debate America’s Economic Crisis Part 1

Rise of Populism: Tom Bilyeu and Michael Malice Debate America’s Economic Crisis Part 1

Update: 2025-10-14
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In this gripping two-part episode of Impact Theory, Tom Bilyeu welcomes back the ever-provocative Michael Malice—author, podcaster, and noted cultural commentator—for a wide-ranging and sharp-witted exploration of American decline, political polarization, and the state of the nation. Malice, renowned for his contrarian takes and deep dives into political history, brings his brand of irreverent insight to dissect the narratives of collapse and ascension in today's America.


In Part 1, Tom and Michael confront the popular notion of America's “decline,” argue over metrics and historical context, and investigate whether we're truly on the verge of societal unraveling. The conversation journeys through economic pressures facing young people, the dangers of polarization and “soft secession,” and the historical parallels with past national struggles. With cutting banter and hard-hitting questions, they provide listeners with fresh perspectives on the culture wars, economic stagnation, and the rise of populism—all while refusing to shy away from uncomfortable truths.


00:00 – Intro


00:34 – anatomy of collapse


05:56 – Soft secession: State vs. federal power games 


07:27 – Trade-offs, Trump derangement, and costs of polarization 


08:39 – Paths ahead: Civil War, Argentina, or revolution? 


10:46 – Revolution mechanics: Is another 1860s-style war possible? 


13:12 – Violence, political unrest, and expanding executive power 


16:06 – Economic crushing of young people and the rise of populism 


17:58 – Housing, inflation, and the struggle for the American Dream 


20:08 – Currency as a store of value: Societal ruin and a lack of political will 


23:10 – The Japan counterargument and the threshold for crisis 


26:07 – What drives people to “blink” in political standoffs? 


28:24 – Party priorities, empty rhetoric, and pivoting for power 


32:00 – Economic disenfranchisement, the myth of moderate politics 


34:23 – Passing on generational wealth: Consequences of deficit spending 


36:56 – Populism vs. establishment: Energies within parties 


39:03 – Political novelty, enthusiasm gaps, and voter turnout 


41:38 – Global leftward drift: Authoritarianism in Canada, UK, and beyond 


44:01 – Free speech vs. soft totalitarianism: Censorship through crisis 


46:13 – “The time for talk is over”—what this actually means


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Rise of Populism: Tom Bilyeu and Michael Malice Debate America’s Economic Crisis Part 1

Rise of Populism: Tom Bilyeu and Michael Malice Debate America’s Economic Crisis Part 1

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